[newbie] no visitors even though ranked #2

procmail · Apr 5, 2011

Hi,

I used the google external keyword tool to find a search term that has 40k global searches a month, and registered a domain name containing that term.

I'm now ranked #2 for that term and there's still no traffic to the site.
I may not have the best design skills, but they aren't too bad. Even if the articles aren't informative, at the very least, people would have visited and left. Problem is no one is visiting at all.

To check ranking, I used scroogle scraper as well as Google. My web history is disabled for Google, so the Google #2 results should be accurate.

I use Google Analytics for stats reporting.

Any ideas?

vlerian · Apr 5, 2011

"a search term that has 40k global searches a month"
It's "exact" or "broad" ?
Look at the bottom left sidebar, there are 3 choices, broad, phrase, and exact.
Check the "exact" one and see how many searches it shows.

im_a_lawyer · Apr 5, 2011

hmm.. 40K a month is over 1K searches a day...even if you were on a second page on that particular keyword, you should still get SOME visitors.
is your tracking script working properly? would you care mentioning the name of your site? I'm sure no one is interested in making a competing site about some obscure tea recipes or whatever it is that you're selling

procmail · Apr 5, 2011

vlerian said:
"a search term that has 40k global searches a month"
It's "exact" or "broad" ?
Look at the bottom left sidebar, there are 3 choices, broad, phrase, and exact.
Check the "exact" one and see how many searches it shows.

Hi, it says "Broad".

procmail · Apr 5, 2011

im_a_lawyer said:
hmm.. 40K a month is over 1K searches a day...even if you were on a second page on that particular keyword, you should still get SOME visitors.
is your tracking script working properly? would you care mentioning the name of your site? I'm sure no one is interested in making a competing site about some obscure tea recipes or whatever it is that you're selling

It should be working properly. I saw like 2 visitors a week ago

janist · Apr 5, 2011

Check your site with Traffic Travis or SEOSERP.com to be sure you're ranking at #2

im_a_lawyer · Apr 5, 2011

procmail said:
It should be working properly. I saw like 2 visitors a week ago

well we can't tell you much until we see your site...

is your tracking software SERVER-SIDE based or javascript? There has to be something wrong with the way you track your visitors

vlerian · Apr 5, 2011

procmail said:
Hi, it says "Broad".

That is.
Check the "exact" then see how many searches per month it is.

ooodaveb · Apr 5, 2011

Check your own server's logs. Are they showing any traffic? Maybe something is wrong with analytics or the way you have it installed.

procmail · Apr 5, 2011

vlerian said:
That is.
Check the "exact" then see how many searches per month it is.

I see...

I should have used "exact".

Thanks for the tip.

im_a_lawyer · Apr 5, 2011

yeah he sent me the link...

broad search gets 90K/month while the exact search yields only 91

.
Why? because those two words as individuals are VERY popular so that's why google gives you 90K, but almost no one is doing a search using these two exact words that are in your domain...

instead of

_______ing|______.org

you should have bought:

_______cise|______.org

try typing those two words of your current domain in a google search:

"word1_ing word2" --> 30K results

now try typing the modified variation of those words "word1_cise word2" ---> 1 million results...

in short, the phrase you bought is grammatically incorrect so very few people type those two words together in a search therefore very few people can reach you so it's quite possible you're not getting any traffic at all!

procmail · Apr 5, 2011

im_a_lawyer said:
yeah he sent me the link...

broad search gets 90K/month while the exact search yields only 91 .
Why? because those two words as individuals are VERY popular so that's why google gives you 90K, but almost no one is doing a search using these two exact words that are in your domain...

instead of

_______ing|______.org

you should have bought:

_______cise|______.org

try typing those two words of your current domain in a google search:

"word1_ing word2" --> 30K results

now try typing the modified variation of those words "word1_cise word2" ---> 1 million results...

in short, the phrase you bought is grammatically incorrect so very few people type those two words together in a search therefore very few people can reach you so it's quite possible you're not getting any traffic at all!

Thank you very much.

In general, in future, I should do the google keyword tool research using "exact", right?

yesrams · Apr 5, 2011

many peoples are failing in this step (Exact, Broad Match)

im_a_lawyer · Apr 5, 2011

procmail said:
Thank you very much.

In general, in future, I should do the google keyword tool research using "exact", right?

yes and also do a search on google for "word1 word2" to see how many times has it appeared in the text. That should give you an idea of how likely a person would type those two words in a search

procmail · Apr 5, 2011

im_a_lawyer said:
yes and also do a search on google for "word1 word2" to see how many times has it appeared in the text. That should give you an idea of how likely a person would type those two words in a search

I don't really understand this tip.

I type in word1 word 2 in google without the quotes, I assume.

How would that give me an idea of how likely a person would type these words?

new10 · Apr 5, 2011

check your website log, if you rank #2, it will get about 158+ clicks per day( 40K/30*11.9% = 158).

im_a_lawyer · Apr 5, 2011

procmail said:
I don't really understand this tip.

I type in word1 word 2 in google without the quotes, I assume.

How would that give me an idea of how likely a person would type these words?

you do need those quotes..

How is it useful? think about it:
google has indexed pretty much every page on the internet and the content from those pages translates into billions of lines of English text which, most of the time, is grammatically correct.

if you were to do a search on any two words in quotes ("word1 word2") <----- the number of results from such query would tell you how popular the combination of those two words are.

for example:

"inexpensive vacations" ----> 60K results
"cheap vacations" -------> 466K results

^ that means, that if an average person wanted to do a search for vacations that are not expensive, he would MOST LIKELY type cheap vacations rather than inexpensive vacations.
Why? because according to Google, the two words "cheap vacations" were used more often on the Internet hence a person is more likely to use those words in a search query..

see? I didn't even need to use a keyword analyzer. I can already tell which two keywords in my domain would be worth more.

OR..........

you could just disregard this tip and from now on use EXACT search when researching keywords

procmail · Apr 5, 2011

im_a_lawyer said:
you do need those quotes..

How is it useful? think about it:
google has indexed pretty much every page on the internet and the content from those pages translates into billions of lines of English text which, most of the time, is grammatically correct.

if you were to do a search on any two words in quotes ("word1 word2") <----- the number of results from such query would tell you how popular the combination of those two words are.

for example:

"inexpensive vacations" ----> 60K results
"cheap vacations" -------> 466K results

^ that means, that if an average person wanted to do a search for vacations that are not expensive, he would MOST LIKELY type cheap vacations rather than inexpensive vacations.
Why? because according to Google, the two words "cheap vacations" were used more often on the Internet hence a person is more likely to use those words in a search query..

see? I didn't even need to use a keyword analyzer. I can already tell which two keywords in my domain would be worth more.

OR..........

you could just disregard this tip and from now on use EXACT search when researching keywords

Very interesting...

Thanks again for clarifying!

new10 · Apr 5, 2011

yes, you should sigh out you google accout to sure your site whether ranking at #2.

-Jericho- · Apr 5, 2011

Exact is your starting point. Broad is your end point. I like to target longer chain keywords and then broaden it out to more general keywords.

For example:

Small Blue Funny Widgets

Now with that chain you can target multiple variations from specific to broad. Blue funny widgets, small funny widgets, small blue widgets, small widgets, blue widgets, funny widgets, etc.

Broad is good to know how many people over all are searching for keywords that may be related to your specific keyword. Exact helps you to narrow down exactly how many people are searching for that specific keyword. Both are useful. Exact is more important to know though.

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