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Newbie here, some questions. I need advice :)

Discussion in 'Offline Marketing' started by Sabiya, May 19, 2013.

  1. Sabiya

    Sabiya Newbie

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    Hi everyone! I'm new to Black Hat World but not that new to IM.

    In the past when it came to IM, I didn't bother with it much. I was a teenager during summer vacation back then, I wanted to play games and not work. But still it was pretty cool to make $80 for just 10 minutes of work! That was then, and this is now.

    I studied the heck out of SEO this past year, did it once with a free site and slapped one affiliate link. Managed to get #13 on Google within 3 days, but some mean person (boo!) copied my article entirely, didn't give me credit, and bumped me all the way to page 3. Ouch. The niche was relatively popular on Microsoft's Flight Simulators. Anyways, since then I didn't really bother because I was discourage on one fact: you need money to do professional SEO. If that's not true then I apologize I was led to believe that.

    So here goes! My background!


    I'm currently unemployed (by choice), my husband is the only one working until I decide to get my lazy butt off the couch and get a job or start my business. We decided that it's best for me to start my own business instead, I made some bad college choices and pretty much my career aspects now consists of either: "Would you like fries with that?" or "The perimeter of the building is secured!". I defaulted on my student loans because for more than a year I didn't work, when I DID work, I didn't make enough money. Well, at my last job I made enough money but you can only do Tech Support 2 cities from your house for so long before you snap...and snap I did! :/ My previous job before that was part-time at $500-$600 a month... definitely not enough money!


    My family and my husband agrees that I am too intelligent to be doing minimum wage jobs. They saw my somewhat success in IM, how I did company logos and set up banners for a family business, and that I have creative business ideas that not even they knew. I even helped them save some money when a local marketer in their city tried to overcharge them. Currently, 2 of my family members own successful businesses, one in Zumba and another in the Wine industry. Both of their marketing tactics are geared locally but they aren't to write home about. Ofcourse I didn't say anything because I am still not 100% sure that I know SEO fully.

    Which leads me to my questions:

    I have some ideas to get started and get clients. Just this past week, a brand new business opened up, so this guy is THE prime target for local SEO, but I'm reluctant to approach him. Do I need to invest money first? I don't have a portfolio, do I need that first? How can I prove that I know how to do SEO? I haven't spent a single cent on SEO, I know the basics like; writing articles, targeting keywords, social media marketing and doing press releases. I haven't touched PPC, backlinks, list building, and so on. Is this enough?

    I don't have extensive knowledge on it to be honest, but I have no qualms with using freelancing sites for help. Should I jump in without knowing everything or should I take the $200 I saved up (don't ask how lol), and do SEO on my own again, but this time all the way to familiarize myself with the process so I'll know what I can and cannot do. What my weakness and strengths are?

    Do I need paper documents or contracts for every client? If it's something simple like getting a client to agree to use Google Business Photos, do I need to draft a contract/payment plan for that? In the case of a contract, do I need to contact a lawyer to help me write it?

    I research the heck out of my state and the cities in this state and only found 3 Marketing Agencies. 2 in the state's capital and one in my city. I don't have much competition to be honest, the most popular of the marketing agency that does SEO and the like, has a REALLY crappy website. So crappy that it looks like someone threw it together in 1993 and left it unchanged, or it looks like one of those sites that 10 year old girls make on Angelfire.

    I'm not saying my websites are the best, but when I built my HTML website with Dreamweaver during college it was alot better than theirs >_>;;

    So what should I do? Study further and use the money I saved to invest on SEO (mainly the methods I haven't touched yet) to see what I'm comfortable with (since I've only had a paid domain/hosting once and that was for a gaming site that I since shut down years back)

    OR

    Go to potential clients. Talk the talk, act like I'm an expert. Take their money, use it on SEO, and learn on the way? Basically taking a leap of faith and hope I can manage. Ofcourse I will say that ranking will take awhile, so that should give me a couple of months to roll with the punches.

    Products I've Used in the Past to Gain Knowledge:

    - Market Samurai
    - Traffic Travis
    - One Man Gang Machines
    - Bring the Fresh
    - Warrior Forum
    - Wealthy Affiliate University
    - Bum Marketing Method from Travis Sago
    - I'm on PotPieGirl's email list but I have not bought any of her products





     
  2. Sam Woods

    Sam Woods Junior Member

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    I would get some decent experience in trying to build up some own affiliate blogs first to find your feet, you'll earn some nice money along the way as well.

    In regards to investment... I think the amazing thing is that you can start with basically Nothing, apart from domains and hosting, I would build it up from there to start your empire :)

    My advice though, if you're using Dreamweaver - learn to do it through code (Dreamweaver makes a mess of HTML/CSS) download sublimetext as you'll learn more. (although you dont really need to know this I think it'll help)
     
  3. Sam Woods

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    Sorry :) just read you're already at a good stage. (forget what I've just said :) )

    Just approach him and learn more as you go. Try to do as much as you can but if you have a big contract, don't feel bad about outsourcing.
    I think if it's face to face, usually you don't need to make a huge contract, just an outline. You'll be able to shell out on lawyers etc when you've a few clients under your belt. There are loads of templates out there to help as well.

    Just give your site a once-over before you go after them, this way you can point them to it feeling good about it.
     
  4. Sabiya

    Sabiya Newbie

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    Okay whew!

    I also read the "[Method] Banking over $4000/Month..." thread and I feel silly. I forgot that I could also target clients that already have websites built but not ranking. As for Dreamweaver, I don't have that program anymore. I had it on my old laptop but it fried and I lost everything. I got the program through the school, so I didn't have a physical disk. I *could* download it illegally and re-learn HTML again, but that's going to take even more time.

    So learning as I go.... alrighty then, time to prepare!
    I don't have a deadline of when to start this business, but the sooner the better. Last thing I want is to stay indoors all summer (again) because I don't have that much money to go out and have fun after all the bills are paid.
     
  5. LoDownLoad

    LoDownLoad Registered Member

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    Keep reading BHW, learn all you can, things change all the time online and in IM. It's some really cool courses on udemy. Go for the GUSTO! NO FEAR! "LET'S GET THIS MONEY DOG!" (In my DMX voice LOL!)
     
  6. fjones5757

    fjones5757 Registered Member

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    Go for the $4000 a month method, I think that's a good, easy place to start. If I was starting from scratch, I would do that myself.