New Rule Suggestion (Video Proof)

BbHhWwVM · Mar 19, 2020

Sometimes, it is very easy to drive attention to your thread.

One recent example would be:
https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/paypal-scamming-they-took-away-211k-usd-from-my-account.1211440/

What is exactly the issue with this thread, and why new rule would be a good choice?

This thread become viral due it's title and a screenshot on it.

I have nothing against this thread, account, viral status (I even jumped in to help) but,

It is not OK if the OP is using BHW members just to get traffic/bumps to his promotions, while everyone are trying to help him.

So, as the video is the only way to prove your issue, it would be great to give the ability to every BHW user to call for a video proof rule.

Going back to the example: (imagine we have a new video proof rule, but nobody even know about it)

You go in with the next reply:

Hey OP, I would like to call for a video proof rule (you can check rules) because your thread looks like an advert.

If OP ignores your message, just use report button and request rule from there.
Next: Mod read alert and forward it back in the thread, so now OP is seeing mod request calling for a video proof.

If OP seek for the rule, he should find something like: You have to record a video in order to confirm authentic of your issue. You can cover/blur the background.

If OP had an idea to advertise himself, everything will fall apart and everyone will know.
Additionally, warning can be issued, or even temp ban.

If OP is really talking about his issue, or whatever is going on, nothing bad happens, he will even be served better, with more attention and perhaps better assistance.

Leader777 · Mar 19, 2020

hmmm... i agree and disagree but i don't think op is promoting his services since me for example when i saw that he got a problem with paypal i won't use him because i be scared if the funds get blocked and i get fucked same as him but i see your point of view

zneco · Mar 19, 2020

Really interesting idea.
I have read his thread aswell (not thinking that he made it to advertise), but there are definitely cases like that.

I would definitely agree on introducing such a rule.

fas66 · Mar 21, 2020

I too suspect that thread as he gives out the Transaction Id very care-freely as if he doesnt bother if paypal traces him back.

Also the video proof rule for proving authenticity seems like too much hassle to me (just my idea) , as people would already be desperate being in such situation and to ask help they need to prove their problem, which may or may-not be solvable by the ideas provided by fellow BHWers.

magicjones · Mar 21, 2020

Video proof don't mean nothing when you can just right click inspect element and change it to any number

BbHhWwVM · Mar 21, 2020

fas66 said:
I too suspect that thread as he gives out the Transaction Id very care-freely as if he doesnt bother if paypal traces him back.

Also the video proof rule for proving authenticity seems like too much hassle to me (just my idea) , as people would already be desperate being in such situation and to ask help they need to prove their problem, which may or may-not be solvable by the ideas provided by fellow BHWers.

Perhaps I failed to elaborate it a bit better, but your statement won't be the case.

I agree that people are desperate and they often look for urgent help, and I don't mind disturbing them. Nobody will force them to provide a video along their questions.

This Rule is Call To Action Rule

When things get viral, often thread bumping will be the case.

Now, many BHW members are not in a mood: hmm what's going on here? or they also don't even read replies, and they often reply a huge nonsense.

It is what it is, every huge community is having the same type of members, newbies, paid members who are spammers just to show their signature, and so on. (they are very visible)

So, the OP can use advantage and give a good clickbait, reply few times or act like he is away, thread will keep going on it own.

Promoting his panel, plus saying: I earned 200k ++++ so my panel must be working well. It is a very good commercial, and in case it's fake, BHW members deserve to know this.

Going Back to the Rule

Not many BHW members will even be aware of this rule, because they are simply not interested in it.

Those who are interested, they will have rights, upon their own determination to call for a video proof, and this will be happening down the road.

magicjones said:
Video proof don't mean nothing when you can just right click inspect element and change it to any number

Buddy, video proof requires you to record yourself while moving from tab to tab, loging in, refreshing static pages.

In this example, OP should record himself logging in to PayPal and browsing his activity, reload the page once, and he could also show his email message from PayPal.

Here is the catch

If OP don't fake things, do you think he will need a tutorial how to properly record a video proof and prove that his issue is real and present? Absolutely NO!

If OP try anything stupid, it will end up in his face. Simple as that.

magicjones · Mar 21, 2020

BbHhWwVM said:
Buddy, video proof requires you to record yourself while moving from tab to tab, loging in, refreshing static pages.

In this example, OP should record himself logging in to PayPal and browsing his activity, reload the page once, and he could also show his email message from PayPal.

Here is the catch

If OP don't fake things, do you think he will need a tutorial how to properly record a video proof and prove that his issue is real and present? Absolutely NO!

If OP try anything stupid, it will end up in his face. Simple as that.

Still don't mean anything. You can use tampermonkey with a script that keeps those changes on refresh.

BbHhWwVM · Mar 21, 2020

magicjones said:
Still don't mean anything. You can use tampermonkey with a script that keeps those changes on refresh.

Ok, you are right, could be the case.

Then he will have to show emails, every issue is recorded via email. He won't be able to fake this by nothing.

Edit: IDK what he can do with script, but he could use private browser and nothing should be able to mess with gmail logging or even PayPal, but if everything went that far, I would like to see an example of you doing it to random gmail or PayPal account. Show some unreal numbers or custom emails. Hard that it might work, prove me wrong.

magicjones · Mar 21, 2020

BbHhWwVM said:
Ok, you are right, could be the case.

Then he will have to show emails, every issue is recorded via email. He won't be able to fake this by nothing.

You can do the same thing with emails. Not saying everyone would go this far.. but I agree with you that I see a lot of "soft" promotion from some people trying to be sneaky... easy to spot when it's what we do everyday anyways lol

BbHhWwVM · Mar 21, 2020

magicjones said:
You can do the same thing with emails. Not saying everyone would go this far.. but I agree with you that I see a lot of "soft" promotion from some people trying to be sneaky... easy to spot when it's what we do everyday anyways lol

I am challenging you to do any kind of example using Chrome private browser, and prove your words.

Log in to your gmail where you have PayPal and show us how you edited emails of PayPal in anything you wish.

Log in to your PayPal and show transactions that never been issued. (you can use old ones and just edit)

Doctor Sleep · Mar 21, 2020

Yeah, I agree with this
Also think that every user when joining to BHW should confirm his identity. Many of sales thread are building with newbie profiles positive ratings.

Gogol · Mar 21, 2020

I kind of like the idea.

As for those who are saying while making a screenshot video it is not possible to modify website output, you guys are wrong. It's complicated, but not impossible to fake it. For example, think about what a mitm attacker does.

magicjones · Mar 21, 2020

BbHhWwVM said:
I am challenging you to do any kind of example using Chrome private browser, and prove your words.

Log in to your gmail where you have PayPal and show us how you edited emails of PayPal in anything you wish.

Log in to your PayPal and show transactions that never been issued. (you can use old ones and just edit)

magicjones · Mar 21, 2020

BbHhWwVM · Mar 21, 2020

magicjones said:

Turn on your recording, open Chrome, open Chrome private tab (you can hide there whatever)

Go to gmail.com log in with user pass and scroll your emails, pick one email from PayPal which you previously edited from normal into some funny meme for example, and that's it.

Or, log in to PayPal directly and previously edit some transaction, so when you log in it will say something like you got or lost +$500,000

I will accept that, not this low quality video that proves nothing about things I talk in this thread.

I am challenging everyone on BHW to make something like this, so we can see if this is really possible. Leave examples for some other threads, we need proofs only!

magicjones · Mar 21, 2020

BbHhWwVM said:
Turn on your recording, open Chrome, open Chrome private tab (you can hide there whatever)

Go to gmail.com log in with user pass and scroll your emails, pick one email from PayPal which you previously edited from normal into some funny meme for example, and that's it.

Or, log in to PayPal directly and previously edit some transaction, so when you log in it will say something like you got or lost +$500,000

I will accept that, not this low quality video that proves nothing about things I talk in this thread.

I am challenging everyone on BHW to make something like this, so we can see if this is really possible. Leave examples for some other threads, we need proofs only!

Well there's plenty of proof out there of people doing it already... it's not too far off to imagine somebody here can figure it out.

I don't think anybody should prove their identity here. Do you want this to be like Facebook?

BbHhWwVM · Mar 21, 2020

magicjones said:
Well there's plenty of proof out there of people doing it already... it's not too far off to imagine somebody here can figure it out.

I don't think anybody should prove their identity here. Do you want this to be like Facebook?

I am not saying you should leave details visible, cover your both user/pass login details but show that you have logged in to your account, if you don't include that, proof is irrelevant.

If you are saying that someone can log in to a pre-edited account where he will see custom fake emails or transactions after login, please prove it or give direct example, not of some tutorial.

This has nothing to do with Facebook, even in my thread it clearly says:

If OP seek for the rule, he should find something like: You have to record a video in order to confirm authentic of your issue. You can cover/blur the background.

(this includes any personal details such logins and any sensitive info (all other transactions and personal stuff) leaving only the subject and browser frames visible.

My point is, he is not able to fake it, and unless you prove me wrong, you made no point, and this can go endless, but I'm done with this.

Prove or show example where someone is logging in to PayPal and he has fake transactions shown, and then he logins again to show the real ones.

Words are used for communication and have no value.

Acts are considered as proof of words, and they cary absolute value.

theRevolt · Mar 21, 2020

BbHhWwVM said:
Perhaps I failed to elaborate it a bit better, but your statement won't be the case.

I agree that people are desperate and they often look for urgent help, and I don't mind disturbing them. Nobody will force them to provide a video along their questions.

This Rule is Call To Action Rule

When things get viral, often thread bumping will be the case.

Now, many BHW members are not in a mood: hmm what's going on here? or they also don't even read replies, and they often reply a huge nonsense.

It is what it is, every huge community is having the same type of members, newbies, paid members who are spammers just to show their signature, and so on. (they are very visible)

So, the OP can use advantage and give a good clickbait, reply few times or act like he is away, thread will keep going on it own.

Promoting his panel, plus saying: I earned 200k ++++ so my panel must be working well. It is a very good commercial, and in case it's fake, BHW members deserve to know this.

Going Back to the Rule

Not many BHW members will even be aware of this rule, because they are simply not interested in it.

Those who are interested, they will have rights, upon their own determination to call for a video proof, and this will be happening down the road.

Buddy, video proof requires you to record yourself while moving from tab to tab, loging in, refreshing static pages.

In this example, OP should record himself logging in to PayPal and browsing his activity, reload the page once, and he could also show his email message from PayPal.

Here is the catch

If OP don't fake things, do you think he will need a tutorial how to properly record a video proof and prove that his issue is real and present? Absolutely NO!

If OP try anything stupid, it will end up in his face. Simple as that.

Well more work but you can just edit hosts file and just PayPal on your own machine... Just saying...scammers will always scam

magicjones · Mar 21, 2020

BbHhWwVM said:
I am not saying you should leave details visible, cover your both user/pass login details but show that you have logged in to your account, if you don't include that, proof is irrelevant.

If you are saying that someone can log in to a pre-edited account where he will see custom fake emails or transactions after login, please prove it or give direct example, not of some tutorial.

This has nothing to do with Facebook, even in my thread it clearly says:

If OP seek for the rule, he should find something like: You have to record a video in order to confirm authentic of your issue. You can cover/blur the background.

(this includes any personal details such logins and any sensitive info (all other transactions and personal stuff) leaving only the subject and browser frames visible.

My point is, he is not able to fake it, and unless you prove me wrong, you made no point, and this can go endless, but I'm done with this.

Prove or show example where someone is logging in to PayPal and he has fake transactions shown, and then he logins again to show the real ones.

Words are used for communication and have no value.

Acts are considered as proof of words, and they cary absolute value.

Bro I'm not going thru all that work just to prove a point that's already been proven. Look here's the simplest way to do it: https://www.ghacks.net/2018/02/27/m...to-web-pages-with-chromes-overrides-dev-tool/

BbHhWwVM · Mar 21, 2020

I never said this is not possible, but I don't believe it can be done with PayPal and Gmail, especially to follow it after being logged in.

Even if that can be done, Tor browser could be added as an alternative or even internet explorer.

Go change a single detail, use this script and change 1 line of your PayPal home screen, any transaction or something, then record logging in and seeing that right after being signed in.

Ok then RULE is NEXT:

Create a new User for chrome or any other browser while recording, open new user, open private browser, go back to new user folder location to show your files, go back to private browser, go paypal.com and record it using phone device while playing a random song on your PC or around.

When recorded, check if anything is visible that should not be, and blur that parts,

or you can even go without the phone, desktop recording is enough

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