New Money Making Method? - Scamming Noobs?

This is kind of a disturbing trend here on bhw. I see people who have been offering services for a long time and have a nice reputation, but then decide to just try and scam multiple noobs at the same time.

There are several people on the shit list that I bought services from and had no issues only to now be accused of scamming noobs. I am not sure what the intent is here but new members need to keep a close eye out. Frankly, its better to buy services from freelancer.com as at least they have a dispute mechanism and escrow payment. Here at BHW, we have nothing to protect us.

Yea... agreed. Its a shame really as I'd rather buy from fellow BHW members... but people who I have respected are now being called scammers.

I can't believe that taking the money of a few people would justify the ban and loss of business... but I guess no one thinks of getting caught if they need the money bad enough!

Isn't there a way to at least create a post to expose the problem children as it is happening. maybe cut back on it a bit.

We shouldn't be scamming our own, especially the ones who don't really have much money to begin with. Blackhat or not , it is bs.

BHW can't get in the middle of a escrow type situation, but I'll do some research and see if I can set something up. It's def not as simple as it sounds, but I'm willing to listen to suggestions/advice.

Ty, would be nice to have somewhere to read up on what is going on. there is a lot of content here, so finding the problems could be hard for noobs like me.

Pofecker I have an idea. Since you guys can't get in the middle of it, maybe they can be suggested to find a "Middleman" to see things through, then make a sticky topic about it?

Can't we do something like fiverr or many sites. BHW can cut admin fees but has to be responsible for every transaction. I know it will be a big pain in ass but still then BHW can have multiple streams of earning and can hire few strict mods.
According to me any service provided by anybody can appear highly beneficial to one person and can appear waste to another. It's knowledge of service and benefit of service to your business which matters and anybody who understands both can decide better.

BHW can profit from this just like freelancer.com does. They take a small admin fee for every transaction. 50% escrow could be the standard rate which gets put into a special account or something and when the transaction is complete and both parties are happy, its released minus the admin fee.

If there is a dispute (which wouldn't be that often), then a mod steps in and mediates it. He can either find in favour of either party or split the moneys up accordingly. The mods would have the ultimate say over the final decision. If neither party accepts the decision, then the money stays at BHW.

tygrus said:

BHW can profit from this just like freelancer.com does. They take a small admin fee for every transaction. 50% escrow could be the standard rate which gets put into a special account or something and when the transaction is complete and both parties are happy, its released minus the admin fee.

If there is a dispute (which wouldn't be that often), then a mod steps in and mediates it. He can either find in favour of either party or split the moneys up accordingly. The mods would have the ultimate say over the final decision. If neither party accepts the decision, then the money stays at BHW.

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It will take a little time and effort for the mods to get something like that together, as there are a lot of legal factors that have to be addressed. Unfortunantly, it isn't just about the possible disputes, transactions and basics.

On the bright side, there are things that can be done to date that can help reduce the issue. Shutting down the sections of the forum effected until the updates/corrections can be made is one of those options.

This sort of thing is only one main factor with this forum as of late. There are no standard rules set, so people don't respect other members as they should at all. Screwing over the noobs, flamming, and other disturbing methods and practices along these lines are getting worse and worse. The latest over and above this have been all of the people posting tactics to attempt to ruin other people's website properties instead of betting their own to beat them on a professional level.

These people are still just as active and are probably taking part in the internal damage of ripping off the noobs as well.

It is time it stopped, seriously. There are no rules and therefore, there is no respect among memembers. This is just the tip of the iceberg of problems with this forum and others like it.

Question is, when will Harro, Dave and a couple of these other guys that claim to be here for us actually do something to bring this forum back to the fun and productive social site it once was?

@ Pofecker - thanks for stepping up and at least investigating some action to be taken here man. Much appreciated, bro.

tygrus said:

BHW can profit from this just like freelancer.com does. They take a small admin fee for every transaction. 50% escrow could be the standard rate which gets put into a special account or something and when the transaction is complete and both parties are happy, its released minus the admin fee.

If there is a dispute (which wouldn't be that often), then a mod steps in and mediates it. He can either find in favour of either party or split the moneys up accordingly. The mods would have the ultimate say over the final decision. If neither party accepts the decision, then the money stays at BHW.

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for gaf this is their business model, they have a full time staff to look after things, i don`t think this place is a suitable place to set this up.

BHW.com could negotiate with gaf (or a simular site) to run all service bst with them and give the service provider a discount on the fees, and the provider can still advertise their services here.

something like this seems more managable.

1.) Shouldn't have to remind anyone... it's black hat world not Disney World

2.) Unless I misunderstood, there are rules here - don't share BHW members' stuff, if you break any of our rules you're banned, etc. As I understand it the 'scammers' have been banned.

3.) Did I mention it's 'black hat' world... Don't open up your wallet and then cry your money is gone. Test the service with a small amount of $. Only then pay for more and if you use card with the Visa logo all you have to do is call your bank and dispute the charge - so the bank loses not you.

BHW with more rules would make us the WF.

Mike
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Pofecker said:

BHW can't get in the middle of a escrow type situation, but I'll do some research and see if I can set something up. It's def not as simple as it sounds, but I'm willing to listen to suggestions/advice.

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Could we get moderators to hold the money until the service is complete?

Brutus69 said:

1.) Shouldn't have to remind anyone... it's black hat world not Disney World

2.) Unless I misunderstood, there are rules here - don't share BHW members' stuff, if you break any of our rules you're banned, etc. As I understand it the 'scammers' have been banned.

3.) Did I mention it's 'black hat' world... Don't open up your wallet and then cry your money is gone. Test the service with a small amount of $. Only then pay for more and if you use card with the Visa logo all you have to do is call your bank and dispute the charge - so the bank loses not you.

BHW with more rules would make us the WF.

Mike
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Easy there Mike...

You almost sound like you are condoning the theft of people's money. Is that the case?

You appear to think blackhat is all about stealing, robbing and abusing people for your best income effort, based strictly on what you've stated.

My understanding and definition of blackhat is to bend and manipulate the rules of the systems set to get around them for new ways of making income.

Nowhere in that does it say spam, steal, rob, cheat, abuse nor take people money illegitimately.

My suggestion would be that you ease back and take an evaluation of your current perspective, because you sound like you are a prime candidate for not only supporting that misconduct but, possibly taking part in those actions.

Blackhat isn't about hurting anyone, bro. It is about making money around the system.

Jonny13131 said:

Could we get moderators to hold the money until the service is complete?

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Pofecker said:

BHW can't get in the middle of a escrow type situation.

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@Jonny what you asked is an escrow situation. Po explained in the post that you qouted that we can not do that.

maybe stricter rules on who can trade - so you cant actually get scammed if your a noob -

so you have to have agood buying rep /power to buy /purchase too --- seems sensible

what do you think?

what about a feedback system?

Fab_DM said:

what about a feedback system?

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We have this already in form of the iTrader system.