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silentthunder · Jan 12, 2011

Chronos said:
Did you know that instead of big pharmacy companies trying to cure cancer, they've actually patented it, and charge a very, very high royalty fee to others for researching it.

Now, I support capitalism. You, and I probably wouldn't be making money online, or even on the internet without it. But there are definitely some problems with it.

Last time I checked, the constitution started with, "We the people..." not "We the corporations..."

Say it ain't so Chronos! Our leaders love us and care for us!!
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/04/01/60minutes/main6354069.shtml

bhsupernewb said:
Any idea how much one of those would cost?

Looks like a few hundred bucks for the material and double that or less
to have someone install it unless you're handy.
http://www.jerrylabella.com/labellas/Water4Gas_products.htm
http://water4gas-reviews.com/
http://www.google.com/search?q=Wate...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

simplebeans said:
Guys weather the goverment is corrupt or not which i know that it is! Remember one thing folks we as the people can make the change. The internet will is changing everything, mark my words guys. Companies also know this is coming.

My point exactly. The problem is well established. Everyone I know lives in financial fear of the future and almost all of them have PCs and Macs
and then the are BHers who know no matter what happens there is a
way to monetize it and live well. People in mass make the change
not one genius. The decision of lots of people.

MiLiTARYiV said:
Oil industry bought the patent. why u think it disappeared from google years ago.. Water4gas.

I had it on my older car and it does work

angelas111 said:

i installed it on a couple of my cars too during the peak of hho talk. it does work contrary to the naysayers. i did tests to prove it.

Click to expand...

"Don't confuse me with the facts! My mind's made up." ......
Actually that's amazing guys. Expect a PM from me.

voodoo1 said:

Hey guys, great to see so many pirates with a green conscience...if only you'd put all that love to good use, lol...cheers!

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Jason_parker700 said:
never pay for gas? how will you cook food then?

http://www.amazon.com/Burton-6200-1800-Watt-Induction-Cooktop/dp/B0037Z7HQK/ref=pd_sbs_k_1

Bugalugs · Jan 12, 2011

java said:
Cheap and easy to make, and worthless. Such "Rife devices" have been at the center of a number of cases of health fraud in the U.S. In one such case, Life Energy Resources mass-produced the REM SuperPro Generator, marketed as a "Rife device" which could cure numerous diseases including cancer and AIDS. The marketers of this device were convicted of felony health fraud; the sentencing judge described them as "targeting the most vulnerable people, including those suffering from terminal disease" and providing false hope.

The Attorneys General of Wisconsin and Minnesota sued a marketer of one such frequency generator for deceptive trade practices and consumer fraud. The Court found that she had violated the law and that, as a result of her actions, a cancer patient had ceased chemotherapy and died four months later.

In 2002 John Bryon Krueger, who operated the "Royal Rife Research Society," was sentenced to 12 years in prison for his role in a murder and also received a concurrent 30-month sentence for illegally selling Rife devices.

In 2009 a US Federal jury convicted James Folsom of 26 felony counts for sale of the Rife devices sold as ?NatureTronics,? ?AstroPulse,? ?BioSolutions,? ?Energy Wellness,? and ?Global Wellness. Folsom purchased over 9,000 units, which he sold to distributors for approximately $1000-1200 and to retail customers for $1995, with sales of over $8 million. He used the false name ?Jim Anderson? when selling the device and used post office boxes, self-storage units, and bank accounts opened in the names of others to conduct his business, all in an effort to avoid detection by the FDA.

From bogus energy devices to health machine fraud. You sure have a wide range of interests silentthunder!

Which section of the government do you work fo Java?

java · Jan 12, 2011

Bugalugs said:
Which section of the government do you work fo Java?

But of course, anytime someone tries to interject rationality into to conspiracy nut talk, they are immediately identified as working for "them". Funny how none of the miracle energy devices here has any independent research and evidence to support the claims. But by all means spend your money on the bogus gas from water plans and kits and fraudulent medical devices or spend 10 minutes of research outside of the nonsense conspiracy sites and learn the facts.. Myth busters has also dealt with some of this: http://mythbustersresults.com/episode53

in the Philippines someone invented a water powered car a long time ago and it was bought by a big company so that it cant be release to the public. These bastard are just controlling everything.

Urban myth that's been around for years. Do provide the evidence if you think it's true.

Oil industry bought the patent. why u think it disappeared from google years ago.. Water4gas.

The urban myth gets replayed over and over. There are plenty of Water4gas scam sellers on Google. Did you even bother to check before posting this nonsense?

andreyg13 · Jan 12, 2011

paincake said:

I love George Carlin, one of the most realistic poeple, too bad he died...

Bugalugs · Jan 13, 2011

java said:
But of course, anytime someone tries to interject rationality into to conspiracy nut talk, they are immediately identified as working for "them". Funny how none of the miracle energy devices here has any independent research and evidence to support the claims. But by all means spend your money on the bogus gas from water plans and kits and fraudulent medical devices or spend 10 minutes of research outside of the nonsense conspiracy sites and learn the facts.. Myth busters has also dealt with some of this: http://mythbustersresults.com/episode53

Do you mean these experts who did not even put the machine together according to the plans? If I design a house and someone does not build it according to my specifications, they cannot come back to me to show it didn't work. If they build exactly as I had planned and it fails....sure get back to me.........

Referenced from this website but available on many others:
http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/johnbedini.htm

"The Bottom line is Johns systems work and John is a humanitarian. John has recently a commercial solid state radiant energy charger. This is FAR from the potential that Johns system have. John's systems as shown in the documentary "energy from the vacuum" and can be developed into a self running home power system.John has also experienced what appears to be distortion by deliberate suppression from Myth busters.

This show appears to have intentionally misrepresented the The Wastson and Bedini system. The discovery channels Myth busters show covered the Bedini device, how ever the show left out ESSENTIAL replication details needed for the system to function normally.

Taken from the show which aired on the discovery channel

Above you can see Myth busters "describing" their construction of the Bedini process. You can see that their is exclusion of the magnets on the rotor. Thats right! they left out magnets on the rotor! What is even more suspicious is that there was no opportunity for John or any body to contact them about this. Therfore the show refuses to address these ?left out? construction details which are clearly visible on the patent and internet disclosures."

Separate Video Refuting Myth Busters

http://www.rense.com/general63/freee.htm

"This incident appears to be a deliberate error given the patent and internet information.

In addition, further ?dis info? regarding John?s technology has surfaced. Certain individuals have published negative and distracting public opinions of John?s system on the internet. Two individuals, named Eric Krieg and James Randi have done this despite having NEVER empirically investigated the Bedini effect personally. IE -never built and disproved or proved it for them self?s personally. Eric Krieg and James Randi are avid skeptics of John?s spirit; the following quote taken a fictional story sums up their reaction to this perfectly.

'I'm a skeptic.' 'No, you're only incredulous, a doubter, and that's different.' - Umberto Eco, Foucault's Pendulum

Eric and James may have been right on a number of things they have covered in the past, but it is UN scientific to not reproduce some thing and claim it as scientifically relevant or ?dis -proven?. Any thing else does not qualify for scientific scrutiny.

If Eric and Randi cannot build a Bedini device, then they are in no way a genuine authority on the science involved, and are deluding themselves and the people who take them seriously.A challenge is thus put forth dated 2008 to Myth busters, Eric and James to reproduce the device EXACTLY as it is described on the Bedini patent and prove it wrong. Enough said."

End of reference from the website.

Perhaps Java you can explain this. You are certainly entitled to your opinion.

richcamp · Jan 13, 2011

java said:
But of course, anytime someone tries to interject rationality into to conspiracy nut talk, they are immediately identified as working for "them". Funny how none of the miracle energy devices here has any independent research and evidence to support the claims. But by all means spend your money on the bogus gas from water plans and kits and fraudulent medical devices or spend 10 minutes of research outside of the nonsense conspiracy sites and learn the facts.. Myth busters has also dealt with some of this: http://mythbustersresults.com/episode53

Urban myth that's been around for years. Do provide the evidence if you think it's true.
The urban myth gets replayed over and over. There are plenty of Water4gas scam sellers on Google. Did you even bother to check before posting this nonsense?

Dude, I'm trully amaze that youre the only one with some sense in here. I dont know about all this fuel for cars talk, but I built power plant in real life and I know for a fact that all those renewabels, good on papers shit horse dont work, theyre unreliable, unpredictable and cost awhole lot more than your normal dirty fuels.

My guess this car thingy is like solar powers, when you see people doing DIY solar panels at home you would think that its all good and its the big bad government and the corporations that stopping it to be built. The rality is those solar panels are craps and unreliable in mass productions.

silentthunder · Jan 13, 2011

Bugalugs I didn't know about John Bedini before. You remind me of last
year when I was discussing something with my buddy and he laughed when
I quoted Wikipedia as a source of proof. He's in college and I'm not. He
says they are never allowed to use Wikipedia as a source for any of their
term papers because his instuctors say it is as credible as snopes.com or Fox News.
Now I see what he means. Basically they say what the government
wants you to hear. For instance, you can't write anything about anyone in the
Bush Family, Obama or Sarah Palin but they pretend to be free and
open. Nothing about corporations either. If you see something written
about any of these it came from an official and is hands off to the
public.

Also, I knew Raymond Royal Rife created a device to cure cancer
but actually it looks like he was able to cure all diseases with it by electronically
stimulating the immune defense system.

Bugalugs said:
Do you mean these experts who did not even put the machine together according to the plans? If I design a house and someone does not build it according to my specifications, they cannot come back to me to show it didn't work. If they build exactly as I had planned and it fails....sure get back to me.........

Referenced from this website but available on many others:
http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/johnbedini.htm

"The Bottom line is Johns systems work and John is a humanitarian. John has recently a commercial solid state radiant energy charger. This is FAR from the potential that Johns system have. John's systems as shown in the documentary "energy from the vacuum" and can be developed into a self running home power system.John has also experienced what appears to be distortion by deliberate suppression from Myth busters.

This show appears to have intentionally misrepresented the The Wastson and Bedini system. The discovery channels Myth busters show covered the Bedini device, how ever the show left out ESSENTIAL replication details needed for the system to function normally.

Taken from the show which aired on the discovery channel

Above you can see Myth busters "describing" their construction of the Bedini process. You can see that their is exclusion of the magnets on the rotor. Thats right! they left out magnets on the rotor! What is even more suspicious is that there was no opportunity for John or any body to contact them about this. Therfore the show refuses to address these ?left out? construction details which are clearly visible on the patent and internet disclosures."

Separate Video Refuting Myth Busters

http://www.rense.com/general63/freee.htm

"This incident appears to be a deliberate error given the patent and internet information.

In addition, further ?dis info? regarding John?s technology has surfaced. Certain individuals have published negative and distracting public opinions of John?s system on the internet. Two individuals, named Eric Krieg and James Randi have done this despite having NEVER empirically investigated the Bedini effect personally. IE -never built and disproved or proved it for them self?s personally. Eric Krieg and James Randi are avid skeptics of John?s spirit; the following quote taken a fictional story sums up their reaction to this perfectly.

'I'm a skeptic.' 'No, you're only incredulous, a doubter, and that's different.' - Umberto Eco, Foucault's Pendulum

Eric and James may have been right on a number of things they have covered in the past, but it is UN scientific to not reproduce some thing and claim it as scientifically relevant or ?dis -proven?. Any thing else does not qualify for scientific scrutiny.

If Eric and Randi cannot build a Bedini device, then they are in no way a genuine authority on the science involved, and are deluding themselves and the people who take them seriously.A challenge is thus put forth dated 2008 to Myth busters, Eric and James to reproduce the device EXACTLY as it is described on the Bedini patent and prove it wrong. Enough said."

End of reference from the website.

Perhaps Java you can explain this. You are certainly entitled to your opinion.

java · Jan 13, 2011

Bugalugs said:
Do you mean these experts who did not even put the machine together according to the plans? If I design a house and someone does not build it according to my specifications, they cannot come back to me to show it didn't work. If they build exactly as I had planned and it fails....sure get back to me.........

Perhaps Java you can explain this. You are certainly entitled to your opinion.

The first and foremost response when some sacred myth is busted is, "Well you didn't do it right..." The fact is, that it's really not even up to someone else to bust the myth, the responsibility is on the person making the extraordinary claim to provide the proof. No device claimed to operate using zero point energy has been demonstrated to operate as claimed. No plausible description of a device drawing useful power from a source of zero point energy has been given. Thus, current claims to zero point energy-based power generation systems have the status of pseudoscience.

silentthunder said:
Bugalugs I didn't know about John Bedini before. You remind me of last
year when I was discussing something with my buddy and he laughed when
I quoted Wikipedia as a source of proof. He's in college and I'm not. He
says they are never allowed to use Wikipedia as a source for any of their
term papers because his instuctors say it is as credible as snopes.com or Fox News.

If you knew anything about Wikipedia, you'd know that they cite all their sources, so yes, you can't use Wikipedia for scholarly work because they just compile information from other sources. That doesn't discount what they say, you just look to where they got the information and judge the quality from there.

Now I see what he means. Basically they say what the government
wants you to hear. For instance, you can't write anything about anyone in the
Bush Family, Obama or Sarah Palin but they pretend to be free and
open. Nothing about corporations either. If you see something written
about any of these it came from an official and is hands off to the
public.

Are you seriously claiming that there is no information critical of Bush, Palin, or Obama on Wikipedia? If you are looking for conspiracy horse shit, no, you will not find that kind of crap being presented as facts on Wikipedia. The will clearly identify it as conspiracy theories. Sorry they don't let crackpots edit the information. Go to youtube or other sites if you want that kind silliness.

Also, I knew Raymond Royal Rife created a device to cure cancer
but actually it looks like he was able to cure all diseases with it by electronically
stimulating the immune defense system.

Believe whatever nonsense that turns you on. I've documented the history of all the rife machine scams through the years. The burden of proof is really on you.

IamNRE · Jan 13, 2011

Thanks for a cool debate guys!

Some strong and valid points, both for the yay's and nay's.

I am one of the "young, stupid, and gullible type" that think the government is holding us, the majority back, and even a lot of the people that do work for the government don't know they are being used for evil.

I am very glad and proud to be part of such a progressive thinking and conscious community!

Thanks for all your thoughts and keep doing your research

!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvIZyyNJnAQ
Why would this not be implemented into every road so that cars floated instead of using gas/petrol.

Proof of what type of technology we could have, if the "crude oil people" let us.... I say let us, but really we have the power to make it happen!

The choice is with us!

Bless

silentthunder · Jan 13, 2011

"Yup! Here is Some More of That
Bullshit Youtube "Zero Point" Scam Tech In Action."

"Obviously it doesn't work because if you can do this
with magnets you could build MRIs or private mag energy
generators in every home and get Off The Grid.
They might even find out how to heal with it!"
Good special effects though!".

YOUTUBE REDIRECT TO WRONG VIDEO Copy url
Go to youtube and enter

"MAGLEV train capable of 3,500 km/h""

java · Jan 13, 2011

IamNRE said:
Why would this not be implemented into every road so that cars floated instead of using gas/petrol.

Proof of what type of technology we could have, if the "crude oil people" let us.... I say let us, but really we have the power to make it happen!

The crude oil people aren't preventing maglev from being used. Economics are. The Shanghai maglev won't pay back the costs of developing it unless capacity is increased or they charge people a lot more to ride it. As with many things that seem like a good idea, the economic reality doesn't always pencil out. That's not to say that production costs couldn't come down enough one day for it to make more economic sense, but today it doesn't work from an economics standpoint.

blackblues · Jan 13, 2011

LHaskins said:
... If you persisted, you would have a "accident". Do some research, this has happened to inventors before....

Just do some research on "Stan Meyers" and you'll see this statement is closer to the truth than you might think!

Nikola Tesla saw his research funds cut off faster than he could count to "one" when he announced that he discovered the key to free energy for everybody.
He actually successfully operated a car powered by "his" free energy... ...back in the 1930's!

Just some food for thoughts...

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IamNRE · Jan 13, 2011

java said:
The crude oil people aren't preventing maglev from being used. Economics are. The Shanghai maglev won't pay back the costs of developing it unless capacity is increased or they charge people a lot more to ride it. As with many things that seem like a good idea, the economic reality doesn't always pencil out. That's not to say that production costs couldn't come down enough one day for it to make more economic sense, but today it doesn't work from an economics standpoint.

The video is about using magnets and liquid nitrogen. I am sure if the scientist of this world were funded well enough, they would find a viable way of getting more alternative energy products such as that model scale in the video to the masses.

Take soma, life is good.

java · Jan 13, 2011

blackblues said:
Just do some research on "Stan Meyers" and you'll see this statement is closer to the truth than you might think!

Okay, here's the results of some research:
In 1996, inventor Stanley Meyer was sued by two investors to whom he had sold dealerships, offering the right to do business in Water Fuel Cell technology. His "water fuel cell" was later examined by three expert witnesses in court who found that there "was nothing revolutionary about the cell at all and that it was simply using conventional electrolysis". The court found Meyer guilty of "gross and egregious fraud" and ordered him to repay the two investors their $25,000.

Stanley Meyer died suddenly on March 21, 1998 after dining at a restaurant. An autopsy report by the Franklin County, Ohio coroner concluded that Meyer had died of a cerebral aneurysm, but conspiracy nuts insist that he was poisoned to suppress the technology, and that oil companies and the United States government were involved in his death. Meyer's patents are still available online but there has as yet been no independent verification of his claims. Pretty much just another story of a scammer pretending to have a scientific breakthrough.

silentthunder · Jan 13, 2011

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8keNqf1u9yY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k-Y-q00zxU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHAwEK1iT4s&NR=1

Monrox · Jan 13, 2011

No wonder the governments can control so many people. Amazing how naive we can be sometimes. Some believe that splitting water into hydrogen and oxygen and then joining them back into water will give a net energy gain. Such a claim invalidates a bunch of general physical principles and at least one thermodynamical. If an inventor manages to do that he'd be famous not because he found a new way of transportation but for redefining physics. That is yet to happen, I'm sorry.

All the energy we can extract comes either from the sun or from fusion and fission. Crude oil for example releases the sun energy that was captured by plants millions of years ago. It's that simple. When you light a candle made of paraffin you see ancient sun light in a sense.

Instead of falling for scam claims, check out the really useful research that is being done as we speak. One field is artificial photosynthesis. Plants use the sunlight to directly split the water into H2 and O2. If we can do that then the HHO engne becomes useful. As it is, we need to use more electricity to get the gas than can be retrieved when burning it.

MiLiTARYiV claims water4gas works but you can't use 1 Watt in a reaction and get 1.1 Watt from the opposite reaction. The energy conversion efficiency can never be above 1. Only some highly experimental transformers reach a 0.998 ratio, all other machines are lucky to get above .70

And oil is not expensive, it is cheaper than anything else at the moment. It's just heavily taxed so that some people can keep receiving their wellfare cheques. Yes you can drive your (diesel) car with cooking oil but a gallon of it costs more than gas. Same for geotermal energy and rest of the alternative methods. Not sure how many are paying attention but 30% of my energy bill goes to research of these alternative methods and quite frankly I am getting kind of tired of it. My neighbour is laughing at me because he got his subsidized solar panels from my electricity bill. I can do the same of course but unfortunately I am not the next parasitic asshole.

blackblues · Jan 14, 2011

java said:
Okay, here's the results of some research:
His "water fuel cell" was later examined by three expert witnesses in court who found that there "was nothing revolutionary about the cell..."

...or maybe it's way to revolutionary so it's being discredited.

History proved it over and over again that the great geniuses/scientist of certain times in history have been persecuted, chased, silenced, declared insane, etc. etc. simply because they were actually so much ahead of the time that the mind of the "ordinary" people couldn't grasp these ideas and inventions.

Galileo, for example, was dramatically persecuted by the church in the 1600's for his scientific and astronomical beliefs. Why? Because the power there was (catholic church) was holding on to the idea of the earth being a flat disc while Galileo proclaimed the earth was round.

Leonardo da Vince conceptualized a helicopter, a tank, concentrated solar power, a calculator, the double hull and outlined a rudimentary theory of plate tectonics and many other things.
A helicopter? In the 1500's? Now if that ain't way ahead of the time!?!? I think it's safe to say that NOBODY else in his time understood such an idea and would have called him a delusional crackpot.

What people don't understand scares them. If they're scared of something they fight it. Talking about free energy and cars running on anything else but oil/fuel, that certainly scares the mess out of a hell lot of CEOs and governments. Why? Just think of how many billions of $ they would be losing out of...

Please note, I'm not saying to just simply believe anything that's presented as ground breaking invention without questioning it as there are LOTS of fraudulent claims out there which are nothing else but a scam.
However, I personally think keeping an open mind for new things and investigate it to build your own opinion rather than being "scared and fight it" is the way to go.

Let me close with the following:
In 1995 I was traveling by train from Geneva to Zurich (Switzerland) and get to talk with the gentleman sitting across from me. He turned out to be a engine developing engineer for Mercedes Benz in Germany. I confronted him the the following question/statement:
"I just can't believe that, with nowadays technology, we're not able to build an engine that delivers the same or even better performance while consuming only 1/3 of the gasoline"
His answer was:
"That's for many years not a question of technology anymore, but a question of politics and economy!"

java · Jan 14, 2011

blackblues said:
...or maybe it's way to revolutionary so it's being discredited.
Please note, I'm not saying to just simply believe anything that's presented as ground breaking invention without questioning it as there are LOTS of fraudulent claims out there which are nothing else but a scam.

That's the thing about courts. You present your best evidence, the other side presents theirs. The judge or jury decides. If you lose, you can appeal. Stanley Meyer failed miserably in defending his idea and was proven to be a fraud.

The plans are still out there. All it would take is one single independent research results showing that his inventions worked and there would be enough publicity for a flood of others to replicate the results. Hasn't happened. Anywhere. In any country. Kind of hard to still claim his ideas have any merit if no one has been able to prove them. One person with such a breakthrough would become wealthier than a dozen Bill Gates if they had a way to produce "free energy" or even energy significantly cheaper. If that isn't incentive enough, I don't think there is anything that would be an incentive. Again, it hasn't happened and the only logical reason must be that it simply doesn't work.

That's not to say that someday we won't have significant breakthroughs in energy production, but it will most likely come through legitimate science and engineering channels, not crappy pdfs sold on Clickbank, conspiracy Youtube videos, or people hustling water to gas kits on websites.

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