Negative SEO
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Well that my be an initial tactic, but the strategy is to get G to give a little on its relentless anti-backlinking campaign. Having said that it's also
difficult to know what to concentrate on. As I said previously, Backlinking doesnt seem to work any more, and great content doesnt seem to do the trick.
So what would you suggest??
agente808
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Negative seo will kill your competitors, but it will not improve your own site.
If you waste your time and money killing every other site in front of you, it's time and money you didn't spend strengthening your own site - and THAT is a waste.
... also, just because you knock down the sites in front of yours, does NOT necessarily mean that your site will replace those you killed... could be that you're stuck in your current position for other reasons
Finally, if you are ever going to go after the bigger, more worthwhile terms, you are going to find that neg seo has decreasing benefits - sure you can take out 1 yr old, pr2 sites - but that's not going to help you when you're going after a bunch of 10yr old pr6 - you should save your time and money working on better strategies that will actually make you some real money.
if you don't learn, you won't earn
If you waste your time and money killing every other site in front of you, it's time and money you didn't spend strengthening your own site - and THAT is a waste.
... also, just because you knock down the sites in front of yours, does NOT necessarily mean that your site will replace those you killed... could be that you're stuck in your current position for other reasons
Finally, if you are ever going to go after the bigger, more worthwhile terms, you are going to find that neg seo has decreasing benefits - sure you can take out 1 yr old, pr2 sites - but that's not going to help you when you're going after a bunch of 10yr old pr6 - you should save your time and money working on better strategies that will actually make you some real money.
if you don't learn, you won't earn
Precisely. All SEO is defined as trying to game Google. So where to now sweeties ??
bilbo
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Just to answer agent88,
my strategy is not to knock ALL competition off. its pretty easy these days to get to page 2 without any issues. page 1 gets tricky ( and yes is does all depend, comp bla bla ) but if 4-6 sites are attacked and spammed they are knocked off and you then sit on page one.
my strategy is not to knock ALL competition off. its pretty easy these days to get to page 2 without any issues. page 1 gets tricky ( and yes is does all depend, comp bla bla ) but if 4-6 sites are attacked and spammed they are knocked off and you then sit on page one.
ija61
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No way.... you go and experiment that when you read all over that it is gone... Why did you bother to test it if every one tell you that it does not work any more?
You are really crazy... why you do not go and buy one of those software that build backlinks with a touch of a button on the same list that all other buyers have access?
I can not believe you go and make a sustained blast, what that mean, I never hear about this option any of my software....
Happy to meat one of the few people that are still crazy and test before read something...
It will be nice to share with us your test and result made.
Ok, you hear it, did you test it? And when I say test it I do not mean for 2 weeks or 2 month...
I do not say that others technique work or not, I'm sure they do. What I say is only from my experience , testing experince.
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SEO--- Search Engine Optimization. How destroying some one website optimize yours?
Not to be rude but you post this thread to earn you post or it is base on an idea?
Let me remind your first post
This was the my answer/ my point of view to your question. I didn't say I'm the best person, or my opinion is the only one.
P.S. I do have websites rank on first page only with SB blast and a few other type of backlinks. So as I said, I do not say that this is the best or other technique does not work I only say that if you do it right and thing of what are you doing SB and Xrummer can be useful.
ija61
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Good point I would really love to see an answer to this question
bilbo
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Dont need to experiment as i have done it. Many people are doing it and most are keeping the lips sealed about it.
weaker sites on page one are primed to get hit with 1 phrase keywords blasted with xrumer and scrapebox and to get pinged 100 times a week.
no experiment - its real, you just have to wake up and smell the coffee.
weaker sites on page one are primed to get hit with 1 phrase keywords blasted with xrumer and scrapebox and to get pinged 100 times a week.
no experiment - its real, you just have to wake up and smell the coffee.
If you are ranking on position 40, then you aint doing your job properly.
When you get to page 2 or even position 6 or 7 on page 1, then you can start some action
See Bilbos comments
@ija61
It's difficult to respond to all your points without understanding that English is not your first language
but I will try as best I can
I am not sure what you are talking about. When I said that "it doesnt work any more", I was referring to mass backlinking. The only way it works
is to DEMOTE your listing
Because the use of these software packages makes things worse. Google now knows the footprints for these packages
HAHAHA - of course --- unless your software says FILE>>DO>>>SUSTAINED BLAST, it doesnt exist. Sorry but that may not translate well.
We have read and it is being done.
How long for? 2 years?? For F... sake, Penguin has only been active for 3 weeks. ija61 do you know what penguin is?? It's not only an animal in the
Falkland Islands
I dont need to earn posts. I no longer need to earn rep. ..... and I certainly do not beg for thanks at the end of each post.
Having said that ..... bless your little cotton oicking socks
It's difficult to respond to all your points without understanding that English is not your first language
but I will try as best I can
I am not sure what you are talking about. When I said that "it doesnt work any more", I was referring to mass backlinking. The only way it works
is to DEMOTE your listing
Because the use of these software packages makes things worse. Google now knows the footprints for these packages
I can not believe you go and make a sustained blast, what that mean, I never hear about this option any of my software....
HAHAHA - of course --- unless your software says FILE>>DO>>>SUSTAINED BLAST, it doesnt exist. Sorry but that may not translate well.
Happy to meat one of the few people that are still crazy and test before read something...
We have read and it is being done.
How long for? 2 years?? For F... sake, Penguin has only been active for 3 weeks. ija61 do you know what penguin is?? It's not only an animal in the
Falkland Islands
I dont need to earn posts. I no longer need to earn rep. ..... and I certainly do not beg for thanks at the end of each post.
Having said that ..... bless your little cotton oicking socks
ija61
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Ok, maybe English is not my stronger point.
Those was sarcastic comments... even the one with the "sustained blast"
Not 2 years but 6-7 month will show you different data. But as I said in previous post... I do not do SEO for IM clients I do it for offline business. I say that because in the IM 7 month with no profit can make the difference so for this I understand your point of view, meanwhile in the offline business this is normal. Because many times this website are seen as an long time project.
But you can always use some test domain.
About the penguin I know that is an animal that bring some of my website in first page.
But if you a more detailed explanation about penguin algorithm please share it with us.
If your intelligence is so way above ours fell free to share with us your tests and you data.
I never say that some one is wrong or not about something that I do not test it and only have a opinion about that.
greentitanium
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i couldnt agree more. this forum is BY FAR, the best forum hands down. it is and probably always will be the go-to forum for REAL information and help. i mean compared to other sites, the BS here is cleared quickly. HOWEVER, its far from black hat any more. FAR. say gray at most
Champenois
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couldn't agree more, good content and playing by the rules means nothing anymore
Jackson Soo
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But, is higher ranking in Google still all about getting massive backlinks by any means necessary?
verilix
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There's nothing technically wrong with Negative SEO. However, for years I've seen black hatters using black hat techniques to rank their websites. Emphasis on their. You work hard using black hat methods, and you reap the rewards. They (at least to my knowledge) never spent all their time and money trying to abuse techniques to destroy other people's sites. Since when has BHW been about that? As I said, there's nothing technically wrong with it, but if we all spent our time doing Negative SEO in an attempt to derail each other and rank higher in the SERPs, we'd all end up losing in the long run. Organizations with plenty of cash to burn would dominate the SERPs even harder than they do now.
This is just my 2c. Couldn't really care if anyone agreed with me or not. Hopefully most black hatters distance themselves from Negative SEO. It's only damaging to all of us.
This is just my 2c. Couldn't really care if anyone agreed with me or not. Hopefully most black hatters distance themselves from Negative SEO. It's only damaging to all of us.
redchillies
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By the way current, major search engines are designed to work, negative SEO can be used to destroy a competitor's site's ranking. Too unfortunate!
dragonrage01
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Most of the time, you will only see negative seo for competitive keywords that give around $30 per day if it is in page 1 and a lot more if it is number 1. Most of my sites are low competition keywords and I've never seen negative seo that is done to my sites. People that are going for competitive keywords should know how to handle negative SEO. Most authority sites for competitive keywords do not need to worry about negative seo anyway.
omnipotent$
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It's blackhat seo against google. This is not a forum with blackhat values.
When you start stepping over the thin line between understanding how the algo works (not illegal) to sabotaging sites (which can lead to legal problems if you attack the wrong company) and blatantly stealing from people (outright scams and fraud) that's when the fbi and ftc start hovering around here more often.
Last thing we need as a group is negative press and unwanted attention because of those that don't understand the difference between blackhat tactics and illegal tactics that leads to prison time.
When you start stepping over the thin line between understanding how the algo works (not illegal) to sabotaging sites (which can lead to legal problems if you attack the wrong company) and blatantly stealing from people (outright scams and fraud) that's when the fbi and ftc start hovering around here more often.
Last thing we need as a group is negative press and unwanted attention because of those that don't understand the difference between blackhat tactics and illegal tactics that leads to prison time.
googlemonster
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Tried it does work, most recent test on some shit pmd isn't doing anything as of yet. Apparently they plan for things like this when building an algorithm, however I fail to see how they can detect false positives? I mean yes they are good programmers, but they can't think of anything that I can't think of in terms of how they perceive it to be an attempt to derank a site, ok lets pretend for a minute the guy with a phd in information retrieval can think beyond my intellect in how they would build two systems:
one that is an attempt to hijack:
current trust defined by quality signals over time such as age, past link building or perceived natural link acquisition.
one that is an attempt to rank higher and thus gets hit with penalties or deranked because 'that person or that site' is trying to rank artifically.
no trust, no pr no this or that...
might not be an either or signal but if i get a webmaster warning why can't i do the same, i guess cost is one factor and motivation it generally would not happen in mom and pop niches... thoughts?
one that is an attempt to hijack:
current trust defined by quality signals over time such as age, past link building or perceived natural link acquisition.
one that is an attempt to rank higher and thus gets hit with penalties or deranked because 'that person or that site' is trying to rank artifically.
no trust, no pr no this or that...
might not be an either or signal but if i get a webmaster warning why can't i do the same, i guess cost is one factor and motivation it generally would not happen in mom and pop niches... thoughts?