Negative SEO - Redirecting penalized site to its competitor

kvchosting said:

NSEO is very unethical

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:lmao::lmao::lmao:

It would be better to focus our energy against the big G and not to work against itself.

mixery said:

It would be better to focus our energy against the big G and not to work against itself.

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Bullshit. It's better to do whatever gets the best ranking. If you have a workable method for targeting those ahead of you, you're a fool for not using it. The old go to opinion that "your time is better spent perfecting your own SEO and marketing strategies, as opposed to attacking your competitors" is only a half truth.

Everything is fair in love and war.

King Midas said:

It's hilarious how hated negative SEO is here compared to other actual blackhat communities, stay ignorant kids. Attacking a thread to represent your withdrawl from a certain subject doesn't make you righteous. Lots of white knights around these parts. Reality is that NSEO is very real and shouldn't be avoided every time somebody brings it up.



Implying noobs here have money to throw at NSEO

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Well for one you do not need much money, and for two where is the laws of the world does it state that if you are new to IM you have no money?

dirtbag said:

I find all the talk of negative SEO not being in the spirit of blackhat retarded. Straight up. If we're talking "blackhat" there's nothing moreso than negative SEO. Blackhat implies exactly what it sounds like it does, it's the dark side. It's the use of sneaky tricks and exploiting the system to win. This isn't grey hat world. I understand the forum has "cleaned up" it's image a little bit since the days where fraud and cookie stuffing and so forth were common discussion, but the implication that there is some sort of "code of honor" amongst blackhats is ridiculous.You're more than willing to destroy someone's hard work and create them hours of additional headaches combating comment spam and garbage like that, what honor is there in taking this stance? Get real...

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Blackhat is not negative seo at all. That's the most retarded part of your post where you just made yourself look a complete fool. Blackhat is exploiting the rules of the system that is set by the big boys. Blackhat is using bots to upload videos to YouTube, having lots of FB accounts, exploiting Google's rules to get your site ranked higher. Neg seo is destroying someone else s work on their site which they might be paying their mortgage with, paying school fees or even just putting food on the table with legitimate sites.

If someone wants to take down one of my sites then have the bollocks to tell me. Stand up to me and offer a fair fight and don't hide behind mama's apron strings. The trouble with people that use Neg seo is that their balls haven't dropped and they are just useless at real seo to get their sites higher.

islandman1010 said:

Blackhat is not negative seo at all. That's the most retarded part of your post where you just made yourself look a complete fool. Blackhat is exploiting the rules of the system that is set by the big boys. Blackhat is using bots to upload videos to YouTube, having lots of FB accounts, exploiting Google's rules to get your site ranked higher. Neg seo is destroying someone else s work on their site which they might be paying their mortgage with, paying school fees or even just putting food on the table with legitimate sites.

If someone wants to take down one of my sites then have the bollocks to tell me. Stand up to me and offer a fair fight and don't hide behind mama's apron strings. The trouble with people that use Neg seo is that their balls haven't dropped and they are just useless at real seo to get their sites higher.

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Blackhat is not negative SEO, but negative SEO is blackhat. At the very least understand what you're talking before calling someone else a fool, lest ye look like a fucking jackass. The term "black hat" came from old wild west movies where the bad guy typically wore the "black hat" and it's used to describe a lack of ethics and exploitation for one's own personal gain. Long before it had anything to do with internet marketing or search engine optimization, the hat designations were used to describe hackers, and the black hats were the bad boys. No regard for rules, ethics, or the law. The definition was simply ported over, but it still holds the same meaning. Blackhat SEO is simply exploiting the system for personal gain, and negative SEO is exactly that. You said it yourself, "exploiting Google's rules to get your site ranked higher". Blackhat is NOT using bots, automating your work load, and using multiple accounts. Yes those techniques are used by blackhats, but they are not the definition of blackhat itself.

The problem here is simply that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. You yourself are simply a greyhat who likes to call himself blackhat because it makes you feel like a part of some special club of internet badasses or something. You talk about exploiting the system to get ahead of the competition, but then when faced with a threatening opponent you're going to call them out to face you fair and square? Get real. What are you going to do if someone does hit you with a negative SEO campaign some day? Sit on the forums and cry about the fact that you lost out to someone who was willing to push just a little bit further than you were to succeed? Then accuse them of not having "had their balls drop yet" as you weep and they win? I'm sure their feelings will be deeply hurt. Stand in your face and tell you? Who the fuck are you, John Wayne? This is the god damn internet man, not a schoolyard pissing match. I don't understand why so many IMs view SEO strictly as a linear race forward. It's not a sportsmanlike race, it's a damn warzone, and the guy behind you might just shoot your wheels out. You can either cry about it and keep doing what you're doing, or accept it for what it is, and use ALL the weapons in your arsenal...

People steal creatives, jack landing pages, use spy tools to sniff out valuable traffic sources other spent thousands on finding, they use copyrighted images and videos with no regard for their copyright holders to drive traffic, how many dating promoters are advertising fuck sites on porn tubes with cleavage selfies scraped from 16 year old girl's Facebook profiles? They destroy blogs, forums, social bookmarking and social media starts ups and cost them millions of dollars and lost hours combating link spam. They promote shitty membership sites that x-sale their leads' credit cards for hundreds of dollars in near impossible to cancel junk subscriptions, or push free trials for weight loss and dick pills that amount to nothing more than snake oil that rebills at $100+/month.

Don't give me the white knight run down. You're probably guilty of any number of these or more that have cost other people time and money with no regard for their hard work.

TL;DR = youz a hypocritical bitch nigga. roffles...

Sadly you lost the argument when you refereed to me a bitch nigga and fucking jackass. If you want to believe that negative SEO is blackhat and not just lame sabotage then I cant help you. You could of course read again the sections on BHW SEO Tools and BHW SEO which discuss ways and provide bots to use blackhat tactics for your own gain on your own sites. I did check but I cant find any mention of Neg SEO being Blackhat. Maybe you can take a look.

islandman1010 said:

Sadly you lost the argument when you refereed to me a bitch nigga and fucking jackass. If you want to believe that negative SEO is blackhat and not just lame sabotage then I cant help you. You could of course read again the sections on BHW SEO Tools and BHW SEO which discuss ways and provide bots to use blackhat tactics for your own gain on your own sites. I did check but I cant find any mention of Neg SEO being Blackhat. Maybe you can take a look.

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I like that your entire misconstrued definition of the term blackhat is based solely upon the bias on this forum. BHW does not encompass the entire blackhat community you know. Nor do BHW's community standards define what is and isn't blackhat. It has been in the site owner's best interest to keep certain topics clean of the forum for a variety of reasons, and BHW is a very "clean" view of a greater picture. You signed up in 2008, were you not paying attention to the things many of the more prominent members of the forum were banking off back then? Negative SEO is a blackhat tactic in it's purest definition. Is it an asshole move, and completely void of any ethic whatsoever? Pretty much, but that doesn't change the fact that it is a blackhat tactic in the end. Sorry if that doesn't fit the limited mold you've stuffed the term into so it fits in your ridiculous eRobin Hood fantasy. Do you really think that everything in a forum simply labelled blackhat is, and anything that you can't find within the forum is not? Are you that simpleminded? Keep telling me I lost. You're wrong. Plain and simple. Declaring yourself winner of an argument and clinging to your ignorance does not make you so. Sorry jackass, but you're a dumb bitch and it shows... **pokes the idiot with a stick**

Sigh..you lost the argument first time around..now you come back and confirm it again.

islandman1010 said:

Sigh..you lost the argument first time around..now you come back and confirm it again.

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Keep telling yourself that. Maybe you should go study a little about blackhat off the forum.Kind of sad that you've been at it for at least 6 years and still don't know what you're talking about.

That strategy work just the competitor's web site haven't a few backlinks and low trust

Negative SEO is quite necessary, it is a Google that made damage to this community, so making their updates irrelevant is always a good thing.

Nothing wrong with negative SEO, because it is so easy. There is not really much to discuss. It makes blasting backlinks software completely usable all over again.

That strategy work just the competitor's web site haven't a few backlinks and low trust

It is not at all easy to perform negative SEO.
But there are many big guns performing NSEO and killing their competitors with ease.
NSEO should be banned for future safety of genuine websites because anyone can do NSEO and bring the innocent ones down with this technique.

I think that mentioned by OP actions isn't NegSeo. In fact, it's 301 redirect+mass spam, which will boost competition ranking.
OP, Negative seo have a long history. It's always possible to ddos competitor or mass spam it, or even hack competitors ftp or something else. Why do you think nowadays something changed? Because G told you so? Because they have better algos and faster servers?
NegSeo is rare. Internet is big. It's much easier to find another niche and go away, then trying to NegSeo competitors. It's like playing in the sandbox - if somebody throws sand to everyones eyes most of kids will just go away to another sandbox.

In other words negseo ur competitors untill they give up and pick another niche

Tealover said:

I think that mentioned by OP actions isn't NegSeo. In fact, it's 301 redirect+mass spam, which will boost competition ranking.
OP, Negative seo have a long history. It's always possible to ddos competitor or mass spam it, or even hack competitors ftp or something else. Why do you think nowadays something changed? Because G told you so? Because they have better algos and faster servers?
NegSeo is rare. Internet is big. It's much easier to find another niche and go away, then trying to NegSeo competitors. It's like playing in the sandbox - if somebody throws sand to everyones eyes most of kids will just go away to another sandbox.

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In other words negseo ur competitors untill they give up and pick another niche

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Well, imagine you are baker. And new baker comes to town. Would you bit the shit out of him or just try to make your bread better? I would not

I see google is making easier to do negative seo and even worse - making it harder to get fair sites out of troubles, after your competitors made for your site. Hate that.