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Need tips from people who used disavow tool

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by Cheebee, Jul 18, 2013.

  1. Cheebee

    Cheebee Newbie

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    Hey,

    So, I got a client a few months ago which had had really bad SEO services in the past. I'm preparing my disavow request.

    I used the list of links that Google gave me from webmaster tools to check what links could be considered bad by them. However, most of it is a bunch of weird links.

    Here are a few questions:
    1) Many links from the list get a 404. Some are old directories and the submission seems to have disappeared, some are spammy websites who died or were bought from other purposes. My link is therefore not there but Google still thinks it is, so should I include it in the disavow?

    2) I also get links from weird search engines like ... (oh well, can't post links here). There's no actual way of finding my website on it, there's even no way of submitting something. It's the same thing with whois websites. Should I disavow the domains or not?

    Basically, I'm wondering if the request will fail if I throw an army of links I don't really understand.

    Thanks a lot!
    Charles
     
  2. Cheebee

    Cheebee Newbie

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    No disavow expert here? :p
     
  3. BenRoland

    BenRoland Newbie

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    Don't disavow anything. It will not help and only hurt the site further, by confirming that it has spammy/paid for links. If the site is already penalized, it is probably best to start over with a new site.
     
  4. Dallasbear

    Dallasbear Newbie

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    I used disavow and had a manual penalty removed. I got penalized for spammy low quality directory listings.

    Those saying don't use it are of the thinking "don't draw attention to yourself" but in my case I had a manual penalty so they already knew me well.

    May penalty was revoked after I moved from disavowing links to a broader disavowing of domains. (along with a good faith effort to remove bad links)
     
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  5. YellowHats

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    Hey,
    I've worked with two clients in similar situations.

    For one, we moved them to a new domain and 301'd the old one to the new one (at least for the moment in 301s, link juice passes but penalties don't). That worked great and they started ranking on the new domain quickly.

    For the other one, we did a wholesale disavow with the exception of a handful of hand-picked useful links. They slowly and steadily started climbing back in the rankings but it took quite a while.

    For your questions, definitely disavow 404s, disavow shitty search engines and directories. Disavow everything that you can see that looks like a crappy link. If they've been penalized, then really what do you have to lose?
     
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  6. IamBlackhatter

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    just gather backlinks that you think as spam and submit the links.If there is really a need to remove your backlinks you will be notified in webmaster tools else don't do it mostly you will get a reply as "Your site has no spam backlinks it is dropped in rankings b'cause of algorithmic change"
     
  7. danailo

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    Go home mate, this is the dumbest thing one can do with penalized domain.

    OP use http://www.linkresearchtools.com/ Lindetox to save time. Disavow tool works best for established websites and if you submit all bad links very soon after they are created.
     
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  8. Cheebee

    Cheebee Newbie

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    Thank you all for your replies!

    I must admit that since the domain is extremely ancient (16+ years old I think), changing domain is not really in the plans as of right now.

    Yellow Hate, I was hesitating on disavowing some links because I thought, from what I understood by listening to Matt Cutts and reading articles, that Google wanted you to show that you made tons of efforts in trying to clean the links. Disavowing everything feels a bit like a lazy move, but I'm glad you say that it worked well. Did you comment the notepad document you sent to Google a lot? And what time frame do you mean by "it took quite a while"?

    By the way, we did not receive any message on Webmaster Tools yet indicating a penalty... if we known the backlink profile is absolutely horrible, should we still go to disavow and start on a fresh slate, or is it bad to do so?
     
  9. GreyKnight

    GreyKnight Regular Member

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    First thing first, know whether if your site is penalized or not. Even if you are penalized, using Disavow may not solve your problem.
    Try putting site:yourdomainhere.com. Will the site appear there?
    Or try searching up your client's website using various keyword. Try the title of your client's web. Is there a result?

    If there is a result, then it's not a penalty.
    If there is no result, it may be a penalty. Usually a penalty is known, because Google will tell us about it in Google Webmaster Tools.

    My advice is NOT to use Disavow, but start building quality backlinks.
     
  10. danailo

    danailo Senior Member

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    It will only helps if you remove shady links.
     
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  11. aibarashop

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    i think, use disavow for low PR or NA or nofollow link... and make it clear use the same anchor text.. i think.. i got this info from my seo teacher
     
  12. GreyKnight

    GreyKnight Regular Member

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    Be careful, bro.
    Having a website which only have high PR links is not natural.
    Having a website which have high follow to no-follow ratio is also not natural.
    Finally, having the same anchor text over and over in all links is also not natural, that's why you need link diversity.
    Google will penalize sites that have unnatural back linking.
     
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  13. aibarashop

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    yea, i forgot one, uniq domain and uiq ip.. choose the link in one domain and one ip to remove.. is that clear? CMIIW
     
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  14. Ledlys

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    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/members/173255-danailo.html

    I have majesticseo and are cleaning up my link profile. Do you recommend that I also use linkresearchtool as well? which is best, easiest or are they best together? Thanks! :)
     
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    Is this a tool that provides you with detailed reports about your pages' visibility on Google?
     
  16. danailo

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    You can import links from majestic seo or ahrefs in linkdetox. Many people already use linkdetox to determine fast which are the best competitor's backlinks.
     
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    Yep, I too suggest this tool to OP. It is a good product with affordable price...

     
  18. UrsuAke

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    View attachment 34955

    On the serious part of it:

    1) make your bad links list, use ahrefs too in the process.
    2) try to remove some of the links (contact webmasters and ask for removals) - this is very important!
    3) submit the request.
     
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  19. Cheebee

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    Hey,

    Wow, so this disavow request might not be as great as we initially thought for my specific case. Here are a few more info:

    1) His Google Local page still gets good results.

    2) He had a terrible drop in rankings because of Penguin and Panda algorithms (Ya, there are also loads of duplicate content on pages because it was copied by competitors. The guy does not want to rework his texts AT ALL.)

    3) He stills gets more or less 100 visits a day from organic results. He is still 1st position for very easy keywords, got kicked out of top 100 for most strong ones, though (except one for which he is 3rd page).

    4) His backlink profile is 90% horrible duplicate directories or 404 websites and fishy stuff. I've started building natural good articles and trusted directories (in French, we still have good free directories).

    From these info, should I drop the idea like quite a few of you have already suggested?

    (Thanks for the info about linkdetox, though)
     
  20. GreyKnight

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    I think your client, thankfully, didn't get a penalty, but may get some drop in SERP, or some lighter penalty, because of duplicated content.
    Try searching the duplicated content in Google. Who is the top one, your client or the competitor? Google has big problem to identify who is the original writer and who is the copycat.

    What do you mean by fishy stuffs? 404 is bad, but if we meant porn and drugs here it should be disavowed. Links from crappy blog is still fine, but links from porn are a big no.

    Try also various link building services available on the Marketplace section. Some of them are as small as $10, and carry some firepower you may need.