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Need A Fresh Start - Advice Appreciated

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by wanabee2, Apr 5, 2010.

  1. wanabee2

    wanabee2 Newbie

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    I hope some of you on here who have had a bot of experience might be able to help me out. I have been messing around with IM over the last few years but not really seen any return.

    Over the last 6 months or so I have really been putting a lot of time in but to no avail. I think I have made around $300 all in all.
    I have been an senuke subscriber for the last 3 months and while it is a great tool I have not seen any improvements in rankings and sales etc. I know this is all down to the way i am using it and other tools.

    This is not a sob story and I know i am the only one who can change how it turns out but I think i need to start over and build from scratch. I had too many little things going on and want to know, is it better to concentrate on a bigger project and throw everything into that?

    I am desperate to make IM work , using white/grey/black hat methods. Whatever it takes. But obviously just promoting crappy CB products is never going to make good money, and I have never had any luck with CPA.
    What would be great if someone could layout a kind of by numbers way of doing things that you think would work!
    ie finding a half decent product, best way to promote it and how to grow the project to more viewers and build sales etc.
    I hope someone might be able to point me in the right direction?
     
  2. richboy

    richboy Junior Member

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    If you're a subscriber to senuke for 3 months, and only made $300, you're at a loss.

    Well at least you made $300, that's a start.

    So it seems you've tried affiliate marketing. The problem with that is that CB is saturated with tons of other hungry afilliates.

    The key to affiliate marketing is to find unsaturated , yet in demand products. Sometime it is in odd niches, but it's there, just gotta look outside the box. Don't just go for clickbank products... or Amazon (Their pay sucks).. Try to find a lucrative, attainable niche, then look for affiliate programs in that niche. They're there! ;)
     
  3. brookshire

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    Yep, exactly. Its like finding a needle in a haystack.. it may be hard to find, but it IS there... Pretend that tools such as xrumer, senuke, market samurai is your metal detector as they will help you find the "needle in the haystack" faster.... hope that analogy makes sense
     
  4. biks

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    Start over small and get back to the basics. Build a niche site and get it ranked to #1 on Google. Put adsense on it and make SOMETHING. I've built over 35 niche product sites and I've seen plenty of $1 clicks, it just takes a few months for Google to trust ya.

    Point is to get good at the basics. KNOW that you can get a site ranked to #1. Doesn't make a difference how small this niche was. Learn exactly WHY you ranked, what you did and what affects your ranking. Then build WIDE (many little sites), not tall (authority sites).

    I guess the $300 check I got for last months payout from Amazon sucks too. :p
     
  5. wanabee2

    wanabee2 Newbie

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    Thanks for the replies guys, I will start to build smaller sites in some mini niches if I can find them. Lots to do I think:)
    I am by far making a loss but I know that I can turn it round. Just need to find that niche!
    Thanks again
     
  6. brookshire

    brookshire Junior Member

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    You can turn it around if you set your mind to it. Make a plan and stick to it.
     
  7. llcstaff

    llcstaff Newbie

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    Putting clickbank links on your site is like telling every search engine to bury you. Try moving them off of your site to some common order form area on a domain you don't care about. You could also try meta refresh pages from a directory that denies the various bots in the robots.txt file. Another way which is what I use is a simple cgi program to redirect anyone who clicks the button.
     
  8. ntlntl

    ntlntl Registered Member

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    I am working in wares indusytry which is quite easy. However I do not recommend this to you. I think when I'm done with my project. I would start some wh adsen sites. Starting something is quite hard btw...
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  9. biks

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    Where'd you get that idea from? Putting scammy CPA stuff will get your site slapped and/or de-listed. Google knows that the Acai submits are there just to take your money on the rebills.

    Clickbank products are "real" products that you can at least get refund if you don't like it. My one clickbank product landing page has only ONE outgoing link to clickbank...and that site ranks #1 for that keyword.
     
  10. observer

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    I would say forget about Adsence and even Clickback offers for a while.
    Those are for high traffic web sites. Buck here and buck there will not work for a slow start.

    If you start from a small niche sites like Biks suggest, without expecting a huge traffic for a while, then you have to make sure that you have high reward for conversion. High margin, small volume - this kinda thing.

    The only monetization way that will work for niche sites is Pay Per deal affiliate offers (not traditional CPAs as they all pay too little). With PPD you can shave $100K with 10 conversions only if you pick high value offers. Or you can pick the smallest ones ( there is nothing less than $1K per deal commission). Those deals take time for advertiser to close, so you will have to wait a bit in the beginning, but at the end of the year you will wonder why you didn't start with it earlier lol.

    Relying on Adsense to make any decent revenue in a short period of time is a suicide, in my opinion.
     
  11. wanabee2

    wanabee2 Newbie

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    thanks for the continued advice, I am taking it all onboard.
    I will give the PPD a look into, but where do i find networks and or programs that will offer that kind of commission?

    Thanks again
     
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    Google.Ths is a great thread :D
     
  13. madblacker

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    dude its all about learning how to automate tasks, most software programs out there won't help that much and the ones that do, such as scrapebox and market samurai, for example, still can be made a lot more useful if you can tie them into an automated system.... if you haven't already, I recommend learnign imacros (the full version) and then find a cheap VisualBasic programmer who can help with the things that Imacros can't do (like conditional statements, etc)