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Need a Bad A$$ bulk emailer. No AMS, Interspire etc

Discussion in 'Hire a Freelancer' started by dorrocks, Apr 28, 2014.

  1. dorrocks

    dorrocks Newbie

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    I am looking for something that can send out 100-500k emails per month. My list isnt clean and I do not have a way to scrub it. That would be a plus.I need to build my master database, have it scrubbed and remove anyone that doesnt want on it. I want it to be compliant. Additionally an d more importantly, I need to be able to send these emails and it not affect our business IP address or business email addresses. I have set up an alternate .com site with a different IP in hopes that I could use it and just have the clients reply back to my business email addy. Not sure if that will work or not- we cannot get a bad reputation.

    In a nutshell this is what I do to earn business. I email these business email addresses asking how I can go about purchasing that company's old printers and fax machines. When/If they reply with what they have, I buy it from them. I have found it more effective than cold calling. Im not selling anyone anything and I try to be SPAM compliant. Hell maybe its just that. Regardless, I have built a list of 4MIL over the last few years and need to go back through it again. I know there will be bounce backs and undeliverables but I am not savvy enough on how to remove all of those from a master excel file. I could be going about this whole thing wrong and would really like someone to help me with this. I have used AMS a couple years ago and it was fine but eventually got blacklisted. I used their hosted server for an IP address and they shut me down due to bounce backs.

    What if any are the solutions for this? I really dont want a program that work half ass either. I will pay what I need in order to do this the right way as this is how our business survives.


    Let me know please.
     
  2. YourMoneyButton

    YourMoneyButton Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Since you don't have a relationship with these businesses the only way you can become canspam compliant is to have them double opt-in to an entirely new list.

    May I ask where you live that you found 4M businesses that are close enough to you that it would make sense to buy their old office machines?

    100-500k monthly emails is simple, a $50 hosting account can push 20x that amount just using a basic standard mail server like exim.
     
  3. Aty

    Aty Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    AMS will do the job and it has built in smtp server so you can send emails from any computer unless port 25 is closed from the ISP. If not, you can try SendBlaster or MaxBulk Mailer.
     
  4. eimFlood

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    Only if his data is outright harvested, and double/confirmed opt-in is not a can-spam requirement either way. Double/confirmed opt-in is just a best-practice. Your definition is closer to the SH definition.

    According to OP: "I email these business email addresses asking how I can go about purchasing that company's old printers and fax machines. When/If they reply with what they have, I buy it from them."

    According to can-spam: "any electronic mail message the primary purpose of which is the commercial advertisement or promotion of a commercial product or service"

    OP wants to pay them, not get them to buy something from him. Depending on how the email reads, he's not promoting anything. Strangely, it doesn't even look like what he's sending falls under can-spam at all unless he's including something in the email that meets the definition of commercial content: "Commercial content ? which advertises or promotes a commercial product or service, including content on a website operated for a commercial purpose. It would probably come down to how he's wording the email messages."

    SH, on the other hand, will come down on him like the hand of G*d because they don't care what can-spam says; they only care about their definition of spam, which is not as narrow as can-spam.

    OP,
    I put some info on list hygiene in another thread: http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...8964-email-gurus-your-advice-appreciated.html

    For email solutions, just search the forum. There are plenty of people offering mailing solutions of various kinds.
     
  5. dorrocks

    dorrocks Newbie

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    Nice info. Thanks guys. YMB, I live in the states and buy across the US. Also, 4MIL is not 4MIL diefferent companies. I could have 100 contacts a Coca Cola- which sucks cause I would have to filter through those to find out which couple email addresses I should use from there. They seem to get pissed when you email 100 people in their company.
     
  6. YourMoneyButton

    YourMoneyButton Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    I was under the assumption that the 4m list WAS assumably harvested since he admits it wasn't clean.

    CANSPAM doesn't just apply to commercial emails. There are VERY few exceptions to CANSPAM if you don't have an existing relationship with the recipient... Religious and government organizations, not much else.

    I wasn't saying that double opt in is required for CANSPAM but that it IS required to create a compliant secondary list from the one that he currently has. I can't possibly think of any other way besides double opt-in unless I'm missing something.
     
  7. innosoft

    innosoft Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    you can get a custom mailing server. check in marketplace. then use atomic mail verifier to verify and blaster to blast the hell out of it. its easiest i know.
     
  8. eimFlood

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    I initially assumed it was harvested, too, but I realized he might have brokered data or another form of third-party data, and that's where the loopholes are in can-spam, and those loopholes are big enough to drive a truck through. That's why it received the nickame of the "You-Can-Spam" Act, and it's one reason why sp*mha*s disregards the act and its UK counterpart and operates under its own, much stricter, definition.

    Without having to pick through the whole act, you can get a decent idea from the FTC guide: http://www.business.ftc.gov/documents/bus61-can-spam-act-compliance-guide-business
    Even that doesn't do justice to how truly wide open things are.

    EDIT: Wikipedia actually has a pretty good and easy to read summary, but linking to wikipedia as a source just feels wrong.

    The purpose and intent of can-spam IS to govern commercial email, bulk or not. It's actually in the name: Controlling the Assault of Non-Solicited Pornography And Marketing Act. :) You just have to be prepared to prove that the data isn't harvested, which is incredibly easy to do. You just need the "4 fields": email address, ip at sign-up, source URL of sign-up, and date of sign-up. A direct prior relationship isn't required. But, if there isn't one, you do have to make sure the recipient knows that you've sent them a commercial email, but things are ridiculously loose there, too. Basically, let them know it's a commercial email; provide a working unsub link and keep it active for 60 days; don't be misleading in your froms, subjects, or headers; and make sure you have a valid address listed in the email (UPS boxes are fine). After some recent court-rulings, the unsub address must now be in text format and not in an image, and using whois privacy is illegal, too.

    Private whois ruling: http://sedo.com/us/news/2575/WHOIS-...ification%9D/?tracked=&partnerid=&language=us
    Address footers ruling: http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/utah/utdce/2:2011cv00516/80569/48/

    Using a DBA + a UPS box with forwarding is better than whois privacy, anyway. Combine that with some voip lines and call forwarding, some reverse proxies, and some GRE tunneling and you're all set. ;)

    As for the double opt-in, I realized that you probably meant it as him getting those people to (single) opt-in to a secondary list. May or may not be necessary, depending on his data source, but definitely agree it's a good idea. I'd rather spend my time sending to 50K direct opt-ins than 4M random mailboxes.
     
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