my thoughts on the algorithm #2 | Let's debate

Engagement has always been a big part i.e. % of likes/dislikes/comments/subscribers related to views

I've just gotten back into YT - but for the purpose of trying to rank videos in Google search results which is proving to be very, very difficult thus far. Ranking #1 for YT (albeit for low comp kw) happened instantly.

Back when I did this the first time in 2012 - high retention views + comments/likes/subs = instant Google ranking. Now, the video seems to get slapped if too many views go too quickly.

Would love to hear from someone who is doing something similar. I feel like I'm probably one or two key elements away from cracking Google rankings for YT videos. But then again, with how YT is growing it might even be worth ranking a few kw/vids in YT and seeing what kind of organic traffic/conv I get
 
Engagement has always been a big part i.e. % of likes/dislikes/comments/subscribers related to views

I've just gotten back into YT - but for the purpose of trying to rank videos in Google search results which is proving to be very, very difficult thus far. Ranking #1 for YT (albeit for low comp kw) happened instantly.

Back when I did this the first time in 2012 - high retention views + comments/likes/subs = instant Google ranking. Now, the video seems to get slapped if too many views go too quickly.

Would love to hear from someone who is doing something similar. I feel like I'm probably one or two key elements away from cracking Google rankings for YT videos. But then again, with how YT is growing it might even be worth ranking a few kw/vids in YT and seeing what kind of organic traffic/conv I get
nice! whats your approach for ranking low comp keywords?
 
nice! whats your approach for ranking low comp keywords?


The usual stuff (name the video as the keyword, add optimised descrip +cc) and then make sure it gets at least 500-1000 views within 24 hours of it going live + some likes/comments etc

problem is before that used to rank in G (with the right quality view provider)...now it's not so still got some testing and work to do
 
You cannot know that and nothing is for life :D. YT can recommend you for few days, few weeks, few months.No1 knows for sure.
I think YouTube recommend you until your ctr / retention etc is good

But I'm not sure, we can't be sure with Internet lol
 
which high retention seller really works to rank keywords guys ? please i dont want to waste my money.

thanks.
 
I'm curious about how much external views could help out with the algorithm. Let's say external views coming from pinterest, twitter, facebook and reddit.

I'll be trying this out in the coming days and see how it goes.
 
I think a good way to bot this would be like this
-search
-click
-watch all the way through
-like/comment/sub
-click on cards/end screen/suggested video from the same channel
-repeat

This would be the ideal way to keep YouTube know someone is interested in your content
 
I think a good way to bot this would be like this
-search
-click
-watch all the way through
-like/comment/sub
-click on cards/end screen/suggested video from the same channel
-repeat

This would be the ideal way to keep YouTube know someone is interested in your content
its easy to do it but hardest way is you need ultra ultra premium proxies. it dosent mean anything without real-fresh IP's.
 
Engagement has always been a big part i.e. % of likes/dislikes/comments/subscribers related to views

I've just gotten back into YT - but for the purpose of trying to rank videos in Google search results which is proving to be very, very difficult thus far. Ranking #1 for YT (albeit for low comp kw) happened instantly.

Back when I did this the first time in 2012 - high retention views + comments/likes/subs = instant Google ranking. Now, the video seems to get slapped if too many views go too quickly.

Would love to hear from someone who is doing something similar. I feel like I'm probably one or two key elements away from cracking Google rankings for YT videos. But then again, with how YT is growing it might even be worth ranking a few kw/vids in YT and seeing what kind of organic traffic/conv I get

I was doing it years ago and ranking well, now i started to youtube whitehat, dont want to risk it.
 
Shorts have huge impact on organic views!
It affects the long videos (>2mins) in same channel with 0 organic views (new channel 2 months old)

Is there any way to get views from youtube naturally?
 
Hey guys I hope everything is going well! Today Id like to share some different explanations regarding views and engagement and how it affects your videos within YouTube's algorithm.
1. High retention views are only good for ranking but not getting your videos suggested or recommended.
The reason why this may be true is mainly because YouTube's algorithm is currently focused on user experience. This means that even though these views may give you high watch time hours, none of those views ever engaged with your video, ( liking, commenting, subscribing) which can lead to a bad signal. If you had 1000 people watch your whole video, but no one left a like, comment, subscription, or even clicked onto the next video, would you consider that a bad signal to YouTube's recommendation system? Yes they may be high retention, but what about the impressions, and everything else?

2. Subscriber engagement is everything. You can buy as many views as you want; they can be the best retention in the world, but if none of your actual subscribers engage with your video then that's a terrible signal to YouTube. Why would thousands of random botted views watch your video, but none of your subscribers engage with your video beforehand. It should be the other way around. This is why buying views could possibly put you in a weird spot with your channel if your subscribers don't engage, it makes no sense.

3. We all know CTR and Watch time are basically the biggest metrics for getting ranked and suggested, so couldn't we just easily buy HR views, get tons of watch time hours and then get suggested? Well don't worry guys, i did the scariest part for you. I've tested it and I got results. And honestly, I'm not surprised, nothing happened. Ill provide you some screenshots below!
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These results were on a 40 minute video, and you're are probably thinking. "wow these are amazing results. you found a goldmine!" And I assure you I did not.
The reason why these botted HR "YouTube Search Views" are bad for getting your channel recommended is mainly because they don't count as impressions. None of the views engage with your video in anyway except for watching the whole thing then leaving YouTube. (bad signal, YouTube wants people to click onto another video, not click off.) As you can see, after the views were delivered, there was no organic growth after, even if I got so many watch time hours and an insane retention.
I'll say this again guys, High Retention Views are only decent for ranking your videos for keywords. I did rank for keywords using these but they were very low competition.
You can buy HR views to maybe rank and then get organic views from search, but for competitive niches, that's going to cost a lot of money and then again these views can easily drop, which happened after 5 days of being delivered.

This is what I suggest to do for now, since YouTube is on a roll for being very strict. Make good content, thumbnails, titles and description, but also make videos similar to creators in your niche that already have viral videos.
I see many channels that went from 500 subs, getting a 100-400 views per video, then making videos on already successful videos, that blew their channels up to 30k subs within a month. You DONT need to buy views. And as you can see, buying really good High Retention views really did nothing for my video except give me some watch time hours.
A organic and active subscriber base is all you need to succeed on YouTube. so if you are able to rank for keywords with HR views, GREAT! But its going to cost some money and there's no guarantee that the views will stay.

I would really appreciate if you guys could leave your own input and thoughts, as I would really love to see what other people have to say as well! LET'S TALK ABOUT IT!
I cant really say I agree with you saying that its all organic I know 10 youtubers that have bragged to me on discord saying they have a bot for ranking their videos not saying its not possible but its a lot harder for those of us in big competitive niches like gaming
 
I cant really say I agree with you saying that its all organic I know 10 youtubers that have bragged to me on discord saying they have a bot for ranking their videos not saying its not possible but its a lot harder for those of us in big competitive niches like gaming
it really depends on the niche. and as I stated in the thread, im talking about getting suggested and recommended. you can use botted views for ranking as ranking is dependent on watchtime and CTR. Suggested views is mainly on user history, engagements and velocity etc.
 
it really depends on the niche. and as I stated in the thread, im talking about getting suggested and recommended. you can use botted views for ranking as ranking is dependent on watchtime and CTR. Suggested views is mainly on user history, engagements and velocity etc.

I dont want to say his name but there is a youtuber that gaming news and he has bot that hes selling for 13k but it does exactly that it takes accounts give them watch history then engage with your videos
 
I dont want to say his name but there is a youtuber that gaming news and he has bot that hes selling for 13k but it does exactly that it takes accounts give them watch history then engage with your videos
thats freaking insane, yeah with a bot like that, you can grow so many channels
 
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