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My Theory on Youtube's New System

Discussion in 'YouTube' started by Misfire, Mar 13, 2009.

  1. Misfire

    Misfire Junior Member

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    Here is my theory and results of my testing. Hopefully the community will find this information useful.

    I have tested two videos separately, one video was boosted with TI, the other video had real human traffic sent to it using a technique with torrents which I had paid for.


    The first video (TI Boosted) counted the views up to 212 until the counter froze. After a period of 7 days, the view counter was still frozen, however insight data was showing a completely different story. It did not show the 212 views that were boosted, instead it showed a steady 10-20 hits per day.

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    Yesterday, the view counter unfroze and started going a little above 212. I believe insight is showing the real data and the truth. It wasn't until the views in insight went above 212 mark that it finally updated the public-facing view counter.

    I believe the view counter up to 200 views is misleading and here is why.

    As we have all experienced, when boosting with TI, the counter increases until 200. The first 200 views are counted in real-time. I think the counter is just incrementing because of its real-time nature, every time TI registers a hit, the counter will just ++.

    However, after the 200 mark it stops the real-time incrementation. This is when the system will instead every 5-6 hours directly change the view counter. Youtube knows the real views your video has so, in this case, the counter will only start moving with you really have accumulated 200+ hits according to insight.

    My second video which only used real human traffic never encountered a view freeze. It went past the 200 mark just fine!

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    As you can see, insight shows a much different picture than the first video!
    The counter was never artificially boosted so it never had this empty gap of 200. The view counter corresponds exactly with my insight.

    Also, for this video, my page refreshes with same IP get added to view count as well, it is ONLY TI or bot programs that never add to the total amount of views. Youtube somehow knows if you use a program.

    So in conclusion,

    - public facing View counters being frozen is just a incorrect value, insight shows true data

    - Public facing counter won't update until insight data reaches above false value.

    - bot programmers need to figure out how to get youtube to register a bot as a legit hit.

    - first 200 real-time views could just be bad coding on their part, where as behind the scenes, those hits aren't really counted. It is only when the counter asks for an update from the youtube database that it will increase. I also believe youtube's view counter updates do not negate values.

    - This also means this system is beatable, if damn page refreshes add to the real count then there has to be a solution.

    I hope this helps you all.
     
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  2. webhat

    webhat Registered Member

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    Take a look at this older research paper done last May.

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    http://www.tubemogul.com/research/index.php?r=6
    Youtube would cap 200 views per IP.
    So it seems they know a 'valid IP', and count your refreshes whatever up to 200.
    If you have two 'valid IP', then you should be able to get the views up to 400.

    For bot views, somehow they know and just don't count them still.
     
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  3. halfalump

    halfalump Regular Member

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    Good info. Thanks.
     
  4. endgame_media

    endgame_media Newbie

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    Interesting points you made
    I have some frozen vids that I TI'd, once the get over the frozen view count I'll let you know if the View count unfreezes.
     
  5. fattaf

    fattaf Newbie

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    Thanks for the info, but...

    There seems to be more to it than this... I have increased a video to 150 with browser refreshes, and then done 150 more from a totally different computer & IP address, the video was still frozen at 214

    I have tried other combinations of this with no good results.

    However, MassM0dz says he's had positive results using a similar method with an iframe refresh and MAC address changing..

    Still doing more research.. thanks again for this info and any other info you can dig up :)
     
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  6. Misfire

    Misfire Junior Member

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    I will soon beta test a new Gforce youtube increaser 1.5 beta, I will post back with results, apparently it is working.
     
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  7. Arthas

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    lol i know what is going on here. its so obvious. ::goes to code a bot::