My small test and results [YTB]

Kn9Isler · Mar 25, 2014

epilot said:
Thanks for info kn9Isler,
How old were the videos?
ÙSo are you saying that you lost your videos which DIDN"T have any backlinks but just view as well?
Can you plz let us know the source of the views you used?
Another thing is, don't you think that your previous videos which got backlinks were deleted just because of "view" as well not because of the backlinks? As I said maybe the backlinks to those videos caused YT to detect them sooner because they ranked sooner as well!?
I think you should test and cover several different methods to detect whats wrong....

Yes, that can be the reason. I have added views and likes to 3 videos and than started blastings them. After some time I added views and likes to the rest of my videos.
Backlinks have nothing to do with the removal. It looks like ytb lets you add the views and after some time evaluates them what leads to a removal.
I bought views from Dargeyon. Other sellers have problems as well, so there is no point to repeat it again atm.

epilot · Mar 25, 2014

Kn9Isler said:
Yes, that can be the reason. I have added views and likes to 3 videos and than started blastings them. After some time I added views and likes to the rest of my videos.
Backlinks have nothing to do with the removal. It looks like ytb lets you add the views and after some time evaluates them what leads to a removal.
I bought views from Dargeyon. Other sellers have problems as well, so there is no point to repeat it again atm.

ÙSo my idea is to upload several videos and give them JUST "backlinks" (If I was you I would try different amount of backlinks per day for each, say 10 per day for one and 100 or 300 for the other) to see if the backlinks cause your videos to be deleted or de-ranked or so...
You can upload several videos and give them JUST views and wait to see what will come up...
You didn't say anything about the age of your last removed videos (I would like to know how fast YT detected them?)?

Kn9Isler · Mar 25, 2014

epilot said:
ÙSo my idea is to upload several videos and give them JUST "backlinks" (If I was you I would try different amount of backlinks per day for each, say 10 per day for one and 100 or 300 for the other) to see if the backlinks cause your videos to be deleted or de-ranked or so...
You can upload several videos and give them JUST views and wait to see what will come up...
You didn't say anything about the age of your last removed videos (I would like to know how fast YT detected them?)?

maybe that is the right way, but it would be much better if the video had views and likes (credibility)
To answer your question - about 5-6 days.

stharthjw6j · Mar 25, 2014

I highly doubt the removals were due to backlinks but I'm open to being wrong, I'm interested in the results of your experiment. Do let us know, good luck.

Frankie4Fingers · Mar 26, 2014

As whatrat (btw, GREAT avatar, Big Sexy rocks!) said, they don't remove video due to backlinks, if anything they could get penalized.

Much more likely you got the ban due to the way you created your account, especially if you bought it from some bulk accounts seller.

geo89gr · Mar 26, 2014

did you buy traffic to get your video removed? or just set up backlinks?
I think it was the first. Also does your video maybe violate the TOS?

Kn9Isler · Mar 26, 2014

whatrat said:
I highly doubt the removals were due to backlinks but I'm open to being wrong, I'm interested in the results of your experiment. Do let us know, good luck.

yep, it seems the problem was with views. It took time till ytb "reviewed" the videos.

Frankie4Fingers said:
As whatrat (btw, GREAT avatar, Big Sexy rocks!) said, they don't remove video due to backlinks, if anything they could get penalized.

Much more likely you got the ban due to the way you created your account, especially if you bought it from some bulk accounts seller.

no the accs are fine, 2 of them I made myself with fresh ips (not proxys).

geo89gr said:
did you buy traffic to get your video removed? or just set up backlinks?
I think it was the first. Also does your video maybe violate the TOS?

Not really, I mean with a link to an offer in the description, but I consider them as ytb friendly. I bought views and they got removed. I was wrong regarding backlinks.

I will try what lalit_burma and epilot suggested, without buying views.
What about vagex, is it still working?

V · Mar 26, 2014

Please share the result of your next test when you use only GSA, and don't buy views. I'm also interested in seeing the results to this.

I am also gonna try to do a case study using GSA to rank videos on YT, but that's when I get time.

epilot · Mar 27, 2014

Kn9Isler said:
no the accs are fine, 2 of them I made myself with fresh ips (not proxys).

Hi Kn9Isler,

How did you provide those fresh IP's?
Furthermore did you delete all caches and cookies in a right why?
Did you uploaded your videos JUST after creating the YT account? What about the phone NO and additional email address which Google needed for registration? Did you use the same phone NO and additional Email address?

stallion45d · Mar 28, 2014

xxsaumitraxx said:
Please share the result of your next test when you use only GSA, and don't buy views. I'm also interested in seeing the results to this.
I am also gonna try to do a case study using GSA to rank videos on YT, but that's when I get time.

If it helps , I have done a similar case study. I sent plenty of backlinks with GSA SER for a few videos, did not buy views, and none of them moved to the first page of YT search.

marlenasolstice · Mar 28, 2014

I am also keen to figure out the best youtube ranking strategy with mass spam. It seems to work for some and not for others. Could it be niche dependent?

epilot · Mar 28, 2014

stallion45d said:
If it helps , I have done a similar case study. I sent plenty of backlinks with GSA SER for a few videos, did not buy views, and none of them moved to the first page of YT search.

SO you mean NOTHING happened after giving the backlinks with GSA? How long did you wait to see the result? how many backlinks per day?
So what's the solution? Are you thinking that giving backlinks method does not work with YT videos or it does not work JUST if you use GSA?

By the way I forgot to mmention that backlinks help a YT video to rank and come up in "Google searech engine" not in "youtube search" itself...

Zoomer3690 · Mar 28, 2014

To me it seems like you blasted a lot of crappy links to newly uploaded videos and too quickly. Maybe that was the reason for your videos getting banned

Kn9Isler · Mar 28, 2014

xxsaumitraxx said:
Please share the result of your next test when you use only GSA, and don't buy views. I'm also interested in seeing the results to this.
I am also gonna try to do a case study using GSA to rank videos on YT, but that's when I get time.

yep, will difinetly share my results

epilot said:
Hi Kn9Isler,

How did you provide those fresh IP's?
Furthermore did you delete all caches and cookies in a right why?
Did you uploaded your videos JUST after creating the YT account? What about the phone NO and additional email address which Google needed for registration? Did you use the same phone NO and additional Email address?

Like dynamic IPs
I use CCleaner (incl. flash cookies), BetterPrivacyAddon, different browsers(Firefox, chrome, opera, IE), incognito mode.
All different email addresses and phone numbers.

stallion45d said:
If it helps , I have done a similar case study. I sent plenty of backlinks with GSA SER for a few videos, did not buy views, and none of them moved to the first page of YT search.

Backlinks can not bring you to the top in ytb search, but they can in google.

marlenasolstice said:
I am also keen to figure out the best youtube ranking strategy with mass spam. It seems to work for some and not for others. Could it be niche dependent?

I think it is keyword depended and not niche.

Zoomer3690 said:
To me it seems like you blasted a lot of crappy links to newly uploaded videos and too quickly. Maybe that was the reason for your videos getting banned

Not really, buying views was the reason.

Zoomer3690 · Mar 28, 2014

Kn9Isler said:
Not really, buying views was the reason.

But only the videos you boosted with GSA got removed didn't they? So how could buying views be the reason for the ban? As your other videos you boosted with views from the same supplier are still alive right?

Kn9Isler · Mar 28, 2014

Zoomer3690 said:
But only the videos you boosted with GSA got removed didn't they? So how could buying views be the reason for the ban? As your other videos you boosted with views from the same supplier are still alive right?

no, the rest of the videos are gone too. I thought it happened because of backlinks, but than my all vids got deleted (without backlinks).

epilot · Mar 28, 2014

Kn9Isler said:
Like dynamic IPs
I use CCleaner (incl. flash cookies), BetterPrivacyAddon, different browsers(Firefox, chrome, opera, IE), incognito mode.
All different email addresses and phone numbers.

If you use Chrome please remove all files in the "user data" as well, You should remove the histores as well, I myself use "atfcleaner" and "FlashCookiesView" as well.
My suggestion is to UP a video and not giving it anything (neither views nor backlinks) and wait to see if it would be deleted or not, If it did then you can notice that the problem is with your IP/ PC or the descriptions/ video you uploaded...
You get your dynamic IP's just with restarting your modem?

stallion45d · Mar 28, 2014

epilot said:
SO you mean NOTHING happened after giving the backlinks with GSA? How long did you wait to see the result? how many backlinks per day?
So what's the solution? Are you thinking that giving backlinks method does not work with YT videos or it does not work JUST if you use GSA?

By the way I forgot to mmention that backlinks help a YT video to rank and come up in "Google searech engine" not in "youtube search" itself...

Yes , as it has been said many times here, backlinks only affect on google and not in youtube rankings . Just wanted to make the experiment to see what happened.

1.000 links /day during a week. Mostly Do-follow 0-9 PR with a very good anchor diversity. All spammed directly the video and not building tiers. That was 15 days ago and even some videos have lost rankings...

Maybe youtube is starting to treat videos like websites in matter of google rankings.

f0rest00 · Mar 28, 2014

There are shitload of reasons why a video can get deleted.
And blasting with backlinks,ain't one.

Kn9Isler · Mar 30, 2014

epilot said:
If you use Chrome please remove all files in the "user data" as well, You should remove the histores as well, I myself use "atfcleaner" and "FlashCookiesView" as well.
My suggestion is to UP a video and not giving it anything (neither views nor backlinks) and wait to see if it would be deleted or not, If it did then you can notice that the problem is with your IP/ PC or the descriptions/ video you uploaded...
You get your dynamic IP's just with restarting your modem?

I upload a video and wait 24hr to see if everything is fine with the video and account. The account or video will be deleted within 2-12 hr because of blacklisted ip or duplicate content etc.
Restarting modem is one way, public wifi spots is a second. I'm using another way, nothing special, but I don't want to post it here.

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