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My Iframing Plan - What could/will go wrong?

Discussion in 'CPA' started by GarrettWinthrop, May 13, 2011.

  1. GarrettWinthrop

    GarrettWinthrop Registered Member

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    Hello Blackhat Experts,

    I have a lot of Youtube traffic that is 90% male. I have a landing page (different blog pages) promoting 6 CPA offers that get served randomly. The offers are email submits that are Iframed and I tell my visitors that they can see the video I'm promising them if they fill out the form and I will send a link to their email immediately. Upon filling out the form they click submit and are redirected to the video page where I explain that it's easier for me to just give them the video right there (I've found this is a far more effective way to get 'real' email addresses). This is all done using GhostCPA mind you. When I was collecting emails for an email list I was getting 1000 visitors a day to click onto my landing page and 500 of them were putting their email address in, so I expect the numbers to be very similar since what they will be seeing is just the name and email address fields, just like with my email list popup.

    I have plenty of junk traffic to get the CTR down but the main problem I imagine I'll run into is that while the offers all pay on first page submit, that they all have subsequent pages/offers that will never be filled out thus no conversions and that that will raise red flags.

    If I have this spread out over 6 networks and am pulling in $20-30 per network per day is this going to be a problem? What other problems might I run into?

    I appreciate any help anyone can give me as I want to minimize the risk of getting banned/blacklisted from CPA networks as much as possible.

    --GW
     
  2. iseegreen

    iseegreen Power Member

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    If I make $5 a day from email submits from one company and they don't convert for the advertiser .... They bitch and moan and take me off the offer .... I'd be careful if I was you.

    As you don't want to get to the end of the month and not get paid.
     
  3. Riseing

    Riseing Regular Member

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    Well once the advertisers realize that none of your leads are converting they will have you removed from their offers. After a few times of this the network is going to start asking questions.
     
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  4. crazyflx

    crazyflx Elite Member

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    Late last year, I had virtually the exact same setup going on (not youtube vids or anything, but a lot of traffic to sliced/iframed CPA offers).

    The second month, they held my $3k+ payment, and asked me how I was getting traffic. I said Google AdWords & they countered by demanding proof. I was lucky enough to get another BHW member who actually uses AdWords, and sent me a screenshot showing $X,XXX dollars in adspend.

    I sent them the screenshot, and they reluctantly paid me, but then disabled my account.

    No matter how many accounts you spread it out amongst, with no second page conversions & no backend conversions at all, you will undoubtedly end up getting canned...and you'll be LUCKY to be paid.

    You absolutely have to have legit leads in your CPA funnel to expect any kind of longevity with the networks.
     
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  5. GarrettWinthrop

    GarrettWinthrop Registered Member

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    What about if I Iframe the 2nd page of offers as well (on ones that pay on first page submit), and just tell my visitors they have to fill out the second page to see the content, then redirect upon 2nd page submission. That way I get all the first page submits I would have (since it's almost all unique traffic) and I get enough 2nd page conversions here and there to keep the AMs and advertisers from looking too closely.

    Sound good?
     
  6. GarrettWinthrop

    GarrettWinthrop Registered Member

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    Even if my traffic is converting 2nd page as well? That's unfortunate if it's true. I can see being removed from a network or having offers paused or pulled, but blacklisted without hard proof that I'm doing anything wrong (e.g. leaked referrer and they see one of my landing pages) I think would be unlikely, going by others I've spoken to. Either way it's a risk I'm willing to take.

    I'm already 'legit'. I have adsense on my one YT video and make over $1k/month there (I'd pull the ads there and make a killing with CPA but I'm afraid it would affect my already great YT search rank and related videos views), and just from the spillover traffic alone to my 2nd most popular video with Blamads I make another $1200/month. I can survive on that (barely), but I want more, so since I won't really be risking anything I'm gonna roll the dice and see what happens.
     
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  7. xpwizard

    xpwizard Junior Member

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    On email/zip submits the advertiser doesn't make money until the user goes through the co-reg and purchases a trial (3rd page onward).
    So in short, yes they can and will ban you if you don't have a lot of traffic converting for them in the backend.
     
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  8. MikeHustle

    MikeHustle Power Member

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    I'm currently going through this cycle, and worrying about if I will get paid or not. Someone on here once said, "making the money is easy, but getting paid is hard." I agree!

    I'm gonna mix in some real traffic to get them tons of real conversions, too.
     
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  9. jhonson5

    jhonson5 Power Member

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    well there might not have any problem and you can carry on in that manner, However, I see you are getting huge traffics a in day. Carry on, best of Lick.
     
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    Iframing is a waste of time, of course you will make some money but you WILL get blacklisted by the advertiser.

    You should focus on a legit campaign first and then mix in some iframe leads.
    But from my experience i can tell you that you should rather invest the time in something more useful.

    However, you can try some mobile offers, most advertiser don't care where the lead comes from if the user submits his pin.
    Though, getting young and unexperienced kids a mobile subscription is kinda cruel.
     
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  11. GarrettWinthrop

    GarrettWinthrop Registered Member

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    Yeah, I'm going to do something like this. If my numbers are correct I'll get 50% or so to convert on my iframed first page email submits. I'll also Iframe the second page so I get some second page conversions. In addition, I'll use a landing page rotator rather than an Iframe rotator and have half the landing pages be the 'real' landing page and the other half the Iframed landing pages. This way I'll get some back end conversions as well. So out of 1000 people that see my landing pages, 500 of them will see Iframed name-email fields surrounded by my content, and the other 500 will see the real landing page. Out of 500 even if I get 40% that's still 200 conversions at around .50-.90 per, so even after some aggressive scrubbing I anticipate I'll still be ahead of the game. Will I get banned? Maybe, but I'll be showing second page sumbits and some backend conversions as well, so the only thing I think will happen is that I might have offers pulled from me or paused.

    I can make a guranteed $1200/month with this extra traffic right now using those mobile submits and I was doing it for a few days, but I have a friend who had his YT channels/videos shut down using those kind of offers. He was doing things slightly different though, promising them something that didn't exist. Still, I don't want to take my chances, I can't afford to lose that traffic source.
     
  12. JohnnyRabbit

    JohnnyRabbit Supreme Member

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    Man listen this is what you should do if you want to continue with this:

    spread it across 6 networks

    then get some micro-niche workers to fill out the 2nd page so you will have many more conversions.

    Lets say for 500 people you have 50 workers completing the 2nd page which would be very good and would only cost like $37.
     
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  13. GarrettWinthrop

    GarrettWinthrop Registered Member

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    I'd like to thank everyone for your responses. I appreciate the warnings from those who are warning me and/or deterring me from following this path, however I am a bit hard headed so I am going to continue on while taking advice from those who offered suggestions as to how to help me stay under the radar a little longer.

    This is a blackhat forum, and I'm in a blackhat mood, and I'm determined to make this work. I will post my successful results here on BHW as my payments come in.

    Balls to the Wall!

    --GW
     
  14. troublie

    troublie Regular Member

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    How's your work doing? Curious about this, starting to think of iframing some offers.
     
  15. Fakker

    Fakker Regular Member

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    I am sure you know you make noobs curious if you say so ;)

    I am a noob.

    I am asking for an example.

    :D