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My Fist Is Going Through A Wall

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by coreygeer, Jul 24, 2008.

  1. coreygeer

    coreygeer BANNED BANNED

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    My fist is quickly about to go through a wall.

    Ok i'm using this pain in the ass XSite Pro. I figured out how to do FTP and how to get it working, but I do not get this thing. I can't edit any of the navigation panels.. nothing is simple with this editor.. you have to go through several pages and several things of options to get to w/e you want.

    All I want is a simple, easy to use editor.. I don't know HTMl and I need to get this site rolling quick so I'm not interested in learning coding. Anyone know any SIMPLE Website Editing programs?
     
  2. Essential Clix

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    Tried Dreamweaver?
     
  3. coreygeer

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    Not yet. How much does it cost?
     
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    Nm, I see it now.
     
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    Or MS Expression Web or even MS Publisher.

    You can make simple 3-5 page sites with Publisher and it's quite a bit easier to navigate than WYSIWYG editors.

    It may be a bit simplistic for some though. As E.C said, Dreamweaver is a good intermediate choice for those who lack coding skills(like me).
     
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  6. coreygeer

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    Yeah.. me and XSite Pro weren't getting along at all..

    I heard people ranting "this program is great"

    This thing is a pure pain in my ass. I don't know if I'm just an idiot or this program really is that complex.
     
  7. Essential Clix

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    Dreamweaver costs $0.00
     
  8. coreygeer

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    lol that's the exact same one I'm downloading right now.

    Gotta love BHW :D
     
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    Depends how simple you want it to be. Personally I think Dreamweaver is great but I see many people who are confused by it. If you dont have any HTML smarts at all and want to knock out simple fast pages I think Google has a page creator.

    Also seems like Dreamweaver is a real pig on resources.
     
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    Dreamweaver rocks Corey....
     
  11. deth_by_uv

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    If you're using XSP version 1, then yeah I can see how it sucks...that thing is collecting dust real fast...

    But XSP v2 is totally killer. Lots of built in 'wizards' for forms, rss feeds, silo'ing your site, different navigation menu options that can be customized...If you really want to go down that dreamweaver route...I still say XSP2 is the quickest and easiest way to get going, real fast.

    I still use editors like NVU (yuck) and Dreamweaver when I work with membership site scripts and all, just easier than XSP2. Overall, I'm using XSP2 much more than any other editor.
     
  12. coreygeer

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    It's XSP2 v2.0.3

    I just didn't understand it.. nothing is simple on that thing. I've tried every different type of layout there is. All I wanted to do was make a simple navigation menu at the top and have one of the links directing to a forum. I'll be damned if I can figure out how to work that thing period..

    I'll agree it has some great options and makes installing scripts and what not easy but as for just designing the site.. I didn't get it.
     
  13. fl*oorg0d

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    I'll add another vote for Dreamweaver. It's pretty much all I've ever used.

    My wife has a site that her and a co-worker built with Publisher. When I try to check it out in Publisher, I don't know WTF is even going on. And she feels the same looking at my sites in DW.

    So, find a good editor for you, and learn to use it to it's full potential. Dreamweaver is good for learning/experimenting, and is robust enough to fill most, if not all, of your future needs.

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  14. Zeprokon

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    I'll tell you I've had problems with Dreamweaver on both XP and Vista.

    I use NVU:

    Hope this helps - and it's fairly easy to learn.

    Zeprokon
     
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    Dreamweaver is nice but wordpress has made my life SO much easier. You don't have as much flexibility but with so many themes and plugins available out there, I've always found what I needed.
     
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    Wordpress is actually pretty easy, if you use the plugins and so on.....

    They have a plugin for almost anything, including changing the order of pages and so on......

    The trick is to use it like Frontpage or Dreamweaver and make PAGES not just posts with it.........then it is pretty easy.

    I have played around with XSite Pro and for me, it is just easier to make pages using FrontPage. With FP you can just drag and drop your pages and link them how you like....

    So, I think either FP or WP is the way to go...........WP, especially with the plugins.....
     
  17. Entrepreneur

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    Does anyone hand code these days? I don't mean to sound like a self righteous prick, but the code these editors produce is often proper horrid. I sometimes open one up and get so fed up with the length of time it takes to do something simple, i just work in source view.

    Get yourself a book on html and a decent book on css. The search engines and browsers love valid code and standards based design, as opposed to deprecated code, masses of unnecessary tags and table based design. :D
     
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  19. mindseye

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    For what it's worth, here is my 3 cents..

    FrontPage puts out some of the worst code of any editor I have ever used. "stay away!"

    I digg the new XSP for certain projects I am working on.

    You do "in my opinion" really need to learn XHTML and CSS.

    By learning this you will be able to do so much more and also recognize when something is amiss.

    Dreamweaver is hands down my favorite! especially when creating production sites for my clients or myself.

    DW puts out some pretty clean code if you set your preferences properly, and the built in find/replace, view in browser type, FTP and all the available extensions are real time savers!

    Since I deal with Joomla, Drupal, EZpub and various other CMS, along with Wordpress and TextPattern on an every day basis, I luv DW, when used in conjunction with Firefox and it's extension Firebug you're really cookin.

    Might I add, learning to develop locally will really kik some production speed into over drive! Yes, install a server.



    I found some interesting stuff some of you might want to look at that have been wanting to get their feet wet with some different platforms but were leery of the jump.

    There called BitNami Application Stacks
    hxxp://bitnami.org/stacks


    Also, those having problems installing any of the Adobe products need to check which services you have running.

    You can first check your logs for installation errors by:
    1. Right clicking My Computer.
    2. Click Manage.
    3. Choose System Tools.
    4. Choose Event Viewer.
    5. Choose Application - look for any red X
    errors. this should help you narrow down your issue.


    Services used are:
    1. Bonjour - starts with ##Id_String.
    2. FLEXnet Licensing Service.

    Make sure to set both of these to Automatic Startup
    1. Double click service.
    2. Choose automatic from the combo box - then apply - then start.

    Make sure your firewall is allowing the said program(s) to access the net.
     
  20. TipTop

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    I've used Xsite for a couple of sites similar to those described in this thread:

    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh.../18821-wizgizmo-x-site-pro-black-hat-way.html

    I'm relatively new to trying to build a decent site from scratch and I wouldn't use Xsite for this purpose. I realized I was going to have to learn some other application fairly quickly. I tried both Dreaweaver and MS Expression Web. I know a lot of people love Dreamweaver because it's a great program and that is what they are used to since it's been around for a while.

    I ultimately chose to go with Expression Web. For me it just seems a little easier to learn how to use. I've had great results with it and I encourage you to at least take a look at it before making a decision.