My crazy SEO idea

tonyy · Aug 24, 2011

Well i want to reach #1 spot in google for a middle comp keyword, i made a 300 words landing page and i am working right now in a bot that will post tens of posts like this per day:

schtg scehnedrmg uahefumcgu KEYWORD oicjgtm hcnuerhg KEYWORD idntrmhh hurelkjgmfcre KEYWORD

All of them of the lenght i want (around 1000 words) and a keyword presence of ~2%. The idea here is to rank faster with content, something i found is useful with the new panda update, but also pretty expensive. Every post will be pinged with a list i have (the site is made in WP) so most of the garbage pages will be indexed, plus i will make some xrumer/scrapebox blasts.
I will link the blog from the landing page too, but in a place where noone can see it (maybe hidden by a image, maybe so tiny, maybe in the same color of the brackground) so google will find it too and will think that my site is a huge authority. All the pages will be in www.keyword.com/blog/* so in a few months my site will have tens of thousands of pages.
I will do basic onsite SEO too and senuke blasts every day in my vps, where my bot will be working.
What do you think? any ideas or suggestions are appreciated.
Please save for yourself opinions like "that is against google ToS, you will be banned" i give a shit if that is against google ToS, unless you know how they find you (so you can share that here so i will improve the bot) don't comment that.
Also any ideas for further releases are useful, maybe a mix of scrapped and spin content with this or random words from a dictionary, etc.
Finally when the bot is working i will releae here for free, so we can test it and gather results.

phpbuilt · Aug 24, 2011

Uhm, you're using non-real words like uahefumcgu? You'd be better off using real words rather than nonwords.

The problem you're going to run into is that 99% of your pages will never enter the search results of anyone based on the fact that you're lacking LSI (latent semantic indexing ... you don't have naturally occurring related keywords on your pages) and with only keywords you won't be ranking for any longtails.

Google will recognize the fact that your pages do not meet anyone's real search requests and proceed to give your website less indexing power, causing most of your pages to drop from the index.

You're better off setting up an autoblog with scraped content that gets spun automatically.

tonyy · Aug 24, 2011

I don't want to rank the garbage pages, i want to rank the landing page that will recive strong backlinking, the garbage content is for google to think that i post regularly in my website.
About my bot you will can enter various keywords, like keyword 1, keyword 2, keyword 3, etc and set the % of presence of keywords, you can enter hundreds of keywords and the 100% of the content will be LSI.

phpbuilt · Aug 24, 2011

tonyy said:
I don't want to rank the garbage pages, i want to rank the landing page that will recive strong backlinking, the garbage content is for google to think that i post regularly in my website.
About my bot you will can enter various keywords, like keyword 1, keyword 2, keyword 3, etc and set the % of presence of keywords, you can enter hundreds of keywords and the 100% of the content will be LSI.

Well I've been there and done that with a very low competition keyword and I can tell you that it doesn't work even with a system far better than the one you're using.

I don't want to show everyone the site because I don't want to risk getting it reported. But I'll PM you with one of my sites which does exactly what you're saying and ranks miserably on a 260 exact keyword.

But overall, think about what you're doing. You're building web pages that do no good at all for you or your users, only intended to slightly help with Google by thinking you have fresh content.

Instead of doing that, you could autoblog scraped content which would actually get traffic from longtails, actually be profitable in-and-of themselves, you could put ads on them (many people even use adsense which is fine if you're not getting close to $100 a day profit), plus there are many scrape/spin solutions which make people have to think hard about whether you're autoblogging or just someone who has English as a second language.

There's a ton of really good autoblog solutions, and TBS will auto spin articles semi-decently.

So the question becomes ... why would you want to build a nonsense system when you could autoblog, accomplish the same thing and have your operation a lot less red-flaggish? If the answer is to save a few bucks on having to buy an autoblogging solution you need to value your own time a little more in my opinion -- because spending your time on an inferior solution to save a few bucks will cost you far more in the long run.

tonyy · Aug 24, 2011

Yeah i checked but the site is down

I want to rank only a page, the landing one. I have several autoblogs so it is a experiment. Anyway if the landing page gets high bounce rate and good backlinks (because the landing page is a download and designed to convert) i guess that the garbage content would be an extra boost, wouldn't it be? thx for the replies, that is really helping me!!

cash202 · Aug 24, 2011

tonyy said:
Yeah i checked but the site is down
I want to rank only a page, the landing one. I have several autoblogs so it is a experiment. Anyway if the landing page gets high bounce rate and good backlinks (because the landing page is a download and designed to convert) i guess that the garbage content would be an extra boost, wouldn't it be? thx for the replies, that is really helping me!!

Prepare to be de-indexed...

phpbuilt · Aug 24, 2011

I'm confused. You say you have several autoblogs, so you know how to do it. To me, what you're trying to accomplish with nonsense word posts is the exact same thing as with autoblog posts -- the goal of giving your website "fresh" content and daily posts.

They're exactly the same for boosting a website for having fresh content -- whether they're nonsense posts or autoblog posts, Google sees fresh posts every day. So the question then becomes, which is better -- the nonsense posts or the autoblog posts?

Autoblog posts you can stick ads on. I wouldn't risk putting ads on nonsense posts. Autoblog posts will rank for longtail keywords that you never even though to put in, because the original articles were written by a supposed expert in the field. Nonsense posts won't rank a ton of related keywords -- the only possibility of it ranking for anything are the keywords you type in.

Now here's the big one ... autoblog posts will cover a huge variety of keywords related to your niche. Nonsense blog posts will essentially be the same, same keywords with different mixed in nonsense.

So if you're blogging about losing weight, scraping articles will probably cover dozens, if not hundreds of different methods of losing weight. But if you're nonsense blogging, all you get are dozens or hundreds of posts using the exact same keywords over and over, with random nonsense words mixed in. The end result of that is your autoblog could theoretically rank for 100s of methods of losing weight, whereas your nonsense posts could only rank for whatever few keywords you add in.

If you know how to set up an autoblog, just have your main page that you want to rank and build keywords to as your homepage, then set up a /blog/ like you want and have autoblogging post to your homepage. That accomplishes exactly what you want, fresh content that will make your website look updated regularly. It will also have 1/10th or less of the risk (a nonsense blog is certain to be reported or penalized, whereas an autoblog will pass most of the time, people will just think English is not your primary language).

gundamwing · Aug 24, 2011

nice make lot you main site will get Pagerank

goodseoman · Aug 24, 2011

phpbuilt said:
I'm confused. You say you have several autoblogs, so you know how to do it. To me, what you're trying to accomplish with nonsense word posts is the exact same thing as with autoblog posts -- the goal of giving your website "fresh" content and daily posts.

They're exactly the same for boosting a website for having fresh content -- whether they're nonsense posts or autoblog posts, Google sees fresh posts every day. So the question then becomes, which is better -- the nonsense posts or the autoblog posts?

Autoblog posts you can stick ads on. I wouldn't risk putting ads on nonsense posts. Autoblog posts will rank for longtail keywords that you never even though to put in, because the original articles were written by a supposed expert in the field. Nonsense posts won't rank a ton of related keywords -- the only possibility of it ranking for anything are the keywords you type in.

Now here's the big one ... autoblog posts will cover a huge variety of keywords related to your niche. Nonsense blog posts will essentially be the same, same keywords with different mixed in nonsense.

So if you're blogging about losing weight, scraping articles will probably cover dozens, if not hundreds of different methods of losing weight. But if you're nonsense blogging, all you get are dozens or hundreds of posts using the exact same keywords over and over, with random nonsense words mixed in. The end result of that is your autoblog could theoretically rank for 100s of methods of losing weight, whereas your nonsense posts could only rank for whatever few keywords you add in.

If you know how to set up an autoblog, just have your main page that you want to rank and build keywords to as your homepage, then set up a /blog/ like you want and have autoblogging post to your homepage. That accomplishes exactly what you want, fresh content that will make your website look updated regularly. It will also have 1/10th or less of the risk (a nonsense blog is certain to be reported or penalized, whereas an autoblog will pass most of the time, people will just think English is not your primary language).

honestly and wisely said.
why dont u listen to him OP?

tiagorossi · Aug 24, 2011

Also search google about LSI

tonyy · Aug 24, 2011

Yeah the point of autoblogs is good, i had an idea of take a CPA offer, install wordpress, put my bot and move on in other offer. My landingpage is what i care and i want to optimaze my time so the lil a invest in set up my domains the more i gain. I know that set up some modules in a autoblog software is better but in a big scale i can save much more time setting up my bot, anyway i'll keep testing it in a domain idc and i'll share the results

Keep giving me your feedback, tomorrow at afternoon i will post the bot so anyone can test it

tonyy · Aug 24, 2011

gundamwing said:
nice make lot you main site will get Pagerank

Yeah i hope i can do that

Jason2010 · Aug 24, 2011

that is against google ToS, you will be banned.

ronmojohny · Aug 24, 2011

Why don't you just get quality articles written for as low as 20 cents each on mturk and use them?

tonyy · Aug 24, 2011

I was thinking in a very BH idea, what if i run this bot, i get rankings, then i eliminate all the garbage post and inmediatly i sell it on flippa or DP and bank some dirty money?
People will think they are buying a great website and after some weeks they realize that google will no count the garbage pages anymore?
P.D: It's BHW, if you think that it is not correct you can go back to WF.

tonyy · Aug 24, 2011

ronmojohny said:
Why don't you just get quality articles written for as low as 20 cents each on mturk and use them?

As i already stated i owe some sites with hand written content, buy i want to shave my costs

bigeazy · Aug 24, 2011

Why don't you just set up an autoblog/scraper with the thebestspinner API??

That way you have unique semi readable content as opposed to nonsense.

tonyy said:
I don't want to rank the garbage pages, i want to rank the landing page that will recive strong backlinking, the garbage content is for google to think that i post regularly in my website.
About my bot you will can enter various keywords, like keyword 1, keyword 2, keyword 3, etc and set the % of presence of keywords, you can enter hundreds of keywords and the 100% of the content will be LSI.

RealEcon · Aug 24, 2011

Set up an autoblog scraper site with WP-unique. Then it would still be giberish to Google but your readers would have something real to read.

This is not hard and can be set up with in a couple hours by someone that has never autobloged before. By a pro autoblogger it would probably take 30 mins.

LX911 · Aug 24, 2011

Your crazy!

Blazy · Aug 24, 2011

cash202 said:
Prepare to be de-indexed...

lol this.. this idea is not as much as crazy as it is stupid. You are talking about Google here, stick to what works.

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