no doubt there are guys on here who know more, but I thought it might be interesting to some
mods - this is my first OP, if its wrong in some way - let me know
Im not selling anything here
mods - this is my first OP, if its wrong in some way - let me know
Im not selling anything here
Me: hi [name]
Me: thanks for adding me
Email Guy: Hello
Email Guy: How are you?
Me: good
Me: how are you ?
Email Guy: Great here. Thanks.
Me: good
Me: I use IEM
Me: basic installation
Me: I send out maybe 1000 emails in a day
Me: they are scraped emails from websites, etc
Me: I think maybe I should use an IP rotation script or something
Email Guy: Do you have a VPS or Dedicated server?
Me: yes dedicated
Email Guy: Sure
Email Guy: How many IP's do you have?
Email Guy: and What's your O.S.?
Me: [Im a new member cant put links]
Me: I think just 1 IP
Me: oh, actually I might be using amazon services
Email Guy: If you are going to use amazon SES
Email Guy: there is no need to rotate IPs
Me: ok
Email Guy: since Amazon SES rotate their smtp
Email Guy: automatically
Email Guy: but, if you do scrapping from web
Email Guy: I don't think amazon would be good
Me: is the reason a risk of penalty?
Email Guy: Yes, they charge you money or something like that.
Email Guy: I am not totally sure
Me: ok
Me: what do you recommend?
Email Guy: Well, your best shot would be rotate the IPs having 5 IPs or more would be good
Me: do you have a provider you would recommend?
Email Guy: [edited, PM me for detail]
Email Guy: from Netherlands
Email Guy: They don't care too much about complaints.
Me: ok
Me: and deliverability wont be a problem?
Email Guy: No, their IPs are clean
Email Guy: anyway, it depends on your configuration
Email Guy: dkim + spf
Email Guy: etc
Me: hmm
Me: can I ask you more questions
Me: Id like to pay you for an hour of your time
Me: as "consulting"
Me: just to start
Me: for questions and answers
Email Guy: Ok, go ahead
Me: ok so
Me: I dont have a large budget for this project
Me: which server do you recommend for ~1000 emails a day
Email Guy: You can start with a vps
Email Guy: If you still want to rotate IPs
Email Guy: I would say:
Email Guy: [edited, PM me for detail]
Email Guy: they all come with 5 ips
Me: ok
Me: so I use this instead of [edited, PM me for detail]
Me: ?
Email Guy: If you would send 1000 a day
Email Guy: that would be good to start
Email Guy: and cheaper
Me: I see
Email Guy: for you
Email Guy: You can handle like 5,000 emails a day with that kind of vps
Me: if I sent 20k, than [edited, PM me for detail] would be better?
Email Guy: they are xen virtualization
Email Guy: You can send 20k of emails in that vps
Email Guy: not in an hour
Email Guy: but 4 o5 hours for 20k of emails
Email Guy: is good
Email Guy: since they are xen virtualization
Email Guy: the rotation would be with iptables
Me: I see
Me: is this using a script?
Email Guy: no, iptables is the firewall
Email Guy: need to set rules to forward the emails
Email Guy: every 5 secons
Email Guy: will changes the ips
Me: ok
Me: and this is something you can help me with?
Email Guy: Sure
Me: ok
Me: now
Me: let me ask you something else
Me: If I continue to send 1000 emails a day on my one IP
Me: what will happen
Me: edited is my provider
Email Guy: edited i've worked with them a few years ago
Email Guy: They don't tolerate many complaints
Me: I see
Email Guy: When you got many complaints they will suspend your service
Email Guy: Without any warning
Email Guy: Because they don't forward you complaints
Email Guy: That's why I said [edited, PM me for detail] is better
Email Guy: because whenever someone complaint about your ip or hostname
Me: I have been spamming for a while with edited, havent got many complaints
Email Guy: this guys forward you the email with the complaint
Me: well, none that I know of
Me: I have only sent maybe 200k emails lifetime through edited
Email Guy: Well, that was my experience with them
Email Guy: I wasn't sending spam anyway
Email Guy: but they didn't liked it
Email Guy: they suspended me 3 servers that I had with them
Me: its not true spam like, porn pills poker, etc
Me: its a legitimate offer/business I have
Me: but its not opt in, etc
Me: so some people might complain its spam
Me: alright next
Me: lets say I use one of these servers
Me: and setup IEM on there
Me: what costs am I looking at to setup the IP rotator?
Email Guy: You mean, to pay me?
Me: I guess so
Email Guy: or if they are going to charge you something?
Me: your charge to me
Me: approx is OK
Email Guy: Just to set the ip to rotate?
Email Guy: nothing more?
Me: I just dont know if its $5, $50, $500 or $50000
Email Guy: you will set up linux, mta, and everything else?
Me: probabaly not
Email Guy: if it's just to rotate the IPs I would charge you $150
Email Guy: but if you want me to set everything for you
Me: what about the other things that are needed
Email Guy: I would say, $450
Me: sure
Me: can you explain to me what MTA is?
Email Guy: mail transport agent (mta)
Me: just very general is OK
Email Guy: the software used by your server to send out emails
Email Guy: can be: postfix, qmail, sendmail, powermta, etc
Me: I see
Me: is powerMTA the preferred?
Email Guy: PowerMTA is a great piece of software, but is really expensive.
Me: ah
Email Guy: And requires a powerful server
Me: I see
Me: whats best for my case?
Email Guy: 4GB at minimum of RAM
Email Guy: I would say postfix
Email Guy: I've tried qmail, sendmail a few others
Email Guy: and I gotta say that I preffer postfix
Me: what are the costs of postfix?
Me: oh, open source
Me: just curious, how much is MTA?
Email Guy: powermta?
Me: yes
Me: sorry powerMTA
Email Guy: well
Email Guy: 25,000 usd per year
Email Guy: or so
Me: wow
Email Guy: if you would implement powermta is because you really have busines with email marketing
Email Guy: mailchimp
Email Guy: uses it
Email Guy: that's why they can change the headers
Email Guy: of the emails
Me: like 1 million emails a day plsu?
Email Guy: powermta let you do big things
Email Guy: 1 million a day is easy
Email Guy: let's say 1 billion
Me: ha
Me: ok
Me: I dont understand, "change the headers"
Email Guy: email headers
Email Guy: from field
Email Guy: and bounces
Email Guy: and reply email
Email Guy: those kind of things you need to make a sure they work well
Email Guy: when you offer send emails on behalf of your service
Me: it seems like I do that with IEM
Me: well, I create my own
Me: ok next
Me: is linux the preferred server to setup?
Email Guy: yes
Email Guy: Linux is more flexible
Email Guy: and you can do easy and quicker things there
Me: ok I made odesk job for you for 1 hr
Me: just accept and I will pay you know
Me: it should be --not incl odesk fee
Me: so make it --- or whatever if you want
Me: is there any programs alternative to IEM you would recommend?
Email Guy: Ok, done.
Email Guy: Yes
Email Guy: I am actually
Email Guy: trying with
Email Guy: Active Campaign
Email Guy: I found several options that Interspire does not have that seems to be good
Email Guy: like fbls management
Email Guy: of course, you have to enroll your IPs first
Me: what is fbls management?
Email Guy: fbl = feedback loops
Email Guy: These are provides by the major ISP
Email Guy: You enroll your IPS of your server where you send out emails
Email Guy: and companies like: hotmail, comcast, yahoo, aol
Email Guy: will forward you an email
Email Guy: whenever a user complaints
Email Guy: about your mailing
Me: ok
Email Guy: so you can remove or unsubscribe that user
Email Guy: and get a good reputation of your IP
Me: I see
Me: so a fbl is kind of like an API between ISPs for complaints
Email Guy: not an api , is more likely a feedback program
Email Guy: and works good
Me: so, can you intercept these before they get to your ISP?
Email Guy: less complaints = good delivery
Me: or just view them
Email Guy: you view them and you can remove them
Me: I see
Email Guy: so your reputation is better
Email Guy: and
Email Guy: your hosting provider
Me: do you send a report to your ISP letting them know?
Email Guy: don't suspend your service
Email Guy: no
Email Guy: they don't neeed to know
Me: I see
Email Guy: as long as you take care of the complaints
Email Guy: if not
Email Guy: they simple suspend you
Me: who sees that I removed the complaint first
Me: the other ISP?
Email Guy: is like this:
Email Guy: hosting provider ---> you -----> hotmail (fbl)
Email Guy: so, hotmail will forward to you, if you enroll your ips to your name
Email Guy: and you can take care of them, they allow you 24 - 72 hours to remove them in most of the cases
Email Guy: if you don't remove them, they forward those complaints to your hosting provider
Me: I see
Me: interesting
Me: and with IEM, you never get them?
Email Guy: it does not depend from IEM
Email Guy: you can get them with IEM
Email Guy: the thing is
Email Guy: IEM does not process those complaints like bounces
Email Guy: you know, iem process bounces
Me: yes
Email Guy: but cannot process fbl complaints
Me: what does it do with FBL?
Email Guy: active campaign seems that it process it
Email Guy: well
Email Guy: you have to do it manually
Me: I see
Email Guy: and when you recive like
Email Guy: 100 complaints daily
Email Guy: is kind of tired thing
Email Guy: to remove them
Me: enrolling the IPs to my name, who do I contact to do that?
Me: I see, and ActiveCampaign manages these fbls automatically
Email Guy: yes
Email Guy: there are like 10 major providers of fbls
Email Guy: yes
Email Guy: your name
Me: do I tell my ISP that I want to enroll the ISP to my name?
Email Guy: no
Email Guy: you do it by your own
Email Guy: wait a sec
Me: sure
Email Guy: [edited becuase Im new member, cant post links]
Email Guy:[edited becuase Im new member, cant post links]
Email Guy: [edited becuase Im new member, cant post links]
Me: oooh I get it
Email Guy: [edited becuase Im new member, cant post links]
Email Guy: [edited becuase Im new member, cant post links]
Email Guy: [edited becuase Im new member, cant post links]
Me: so its not that I tell my ISP to enroll my name, I enroll my name with all the other people instead
Me: so they have my information on their side
Me: not request it from my ISP
Me: and when someone complains, what do I show them?
Me: do I send them an email confirming removal or something?
Email Guy: no
Email Guy: they forward you the email
Email Guy: and you will see the email of the complainer
Email Guy: so you copy that email
Email Guy: and mark as unsubscribed on interspire
Email Guy: put on supression list
Email Guy: or remove it
Email Guy: whatever works better to you
Me: ok
Me: so
Me: my reputation is good on my end
Me: my ISP never sees it this way
Me: but how does the sending fbl know if I did anything or not?
Email Guy: Oh
Email Guy: you see
Email Guy: if you enroll to hotmail
Email Guy: for exmaple
Me: yes
Email Guy: and you send a message to
Email Guy: email
Email Guy: let's say my email
Email Guy: and I got it to the inbox
Email Guy: I open it
Email Guy: and I found that I have not susbscribed to any list
Email Guy: so, I press "junk" button
Email Guy: that's a complaint
Email Guy: for hotmail
Me: ok
Email Guy: and that's the email that will be forwarded to you
Me: ok
Me: so hotmail sends to me
Me: now you said, if I dont do anything in 24-72 hours they will FWD to my ISP
Me: how do they know if I did anything or not?
Me: i.e. ignored, or suppressed email
Email Guy: they will know if you do not send an email again to that account
Email Guy: email address
Me: I see
Email Guy: if you send another email to that acount
Email Guy: means
Email Guy: that you didn't do anything
Me: I see
Me: so IEM processes bounced
Me: but does not process FBL
Email Guy: yea
Email Guy: there are addons
Me: so I am likely to send twice
Email Guy: to IEM
Email Guy: to process fbls
Email Guy: and others things
Me: I see
Email Guy: but they are really expensive
Me: I have never found a marketplace for these scripts
Me: it seems like most of them are custom made
Email Guy: yeah
Email Guy: well
Email Guy: not that
Email Guy: if iem does not process fbls
Email Guy: automatically
Email Guy: you can do it manually
Email Guy: like this:
Email Guy: whenever they forward a complaint
Email Guy: it should go to
Email Guy: abuse at email domain
Email Guy: so
Email Guy: you can open that email account
Email Guy: and see all the complaints
Email Guy: you copy the email
Email Guy: and remove it from your lists
Me: ok
Email Guy: if you want to check the reputation of your ip
Email Guy: senderscore dot org
Me: nice site
Me: I am curious why there isnt a site selling IEM scripts
Me: maybe they dont want to "break" the market
Email Guy: is because
Email Guy: every server needs customizations
Me: I see
Email Guy: You cannot sell the same script to all the people
Email Guy: because that might don't work
Email Guy: if it's for linux
Email Guy: won't work for windows
Me: that makes sense
Email Guy: so, needs to evaluate first the customer server
Me: ok my time is almost up
Me: is there anything else you want to recommend to me to look at?
Me: I have my own tools for email harvesting
Me: later I will show you my method
Me: I think my harvesting is really advanced, but sending is primitive
Email Guy: huh... maybe if you want to set a monitor to your ips for blacklist
Email Guy: [edited, new member cant post links]
Email Guy: I think you can find it there
Me: ok
Email Guy: Since you send email to scrapper emails, i would recommend to enroll your ip to those fbls I've sent you
Email Guy: you will find that it is useful
Email Guy: since
Email Guy: if you remove emails
Email Guy: you get
Me: yes, is that all the fbls I should enroll to for now?
Email Guy: more reputation and speed on sending
Email Guy: hotmail, yahoo and aol
Email Guy: majors providers
Me: when I start ou
Me: out*
Me: is there a certain email speed I should go with
Me: or
Email Guy: It basically depends on the smtp configuration
Email Guy: Let's say
Me: does it matter how many, how fast I send on day 1, vs day 100
Email Guy: You are using mediatemple service
Email Guy: So, you have plesk panel if you use a dv
Email Guy: server
Email Guy: means speed is less
Email Guy: and you have qmail
Email Guy: and lots of email on queue
Email Guy: you should send 500 - 1000 per hour
Email Guy: if you get news ips
Email Guy: you need to warm them up first
Email Guy: with 500 - 1000 per hour
Email Guy: after 2 or 3 weeks
Email Guy: you can start sending 3000 emails per hour
Email Guy: and to avoid bottleneck you need to optimize your server
Email Guy: or try to send 1000 per hour
Me: is it the # of emails that "warms them up" or # of days?
Email Guy: 2 or 3 weeks more or less
Email Guy: less time if you send mailing daily
Me: ok
Me: well, I want to use you for next server
Me: last question
Me: tell me a little more about you
Email Guy: Well, I have more than 5 years working as system administrator, targeting to email delivery as a consultant.
Email Guy: I have my own company in my country: [edited]
Email Guy: and I've helped many people on my country to develop their email marketing service
Me: I like your site design
Email Guy: and then I started to lookup people outside my country via oDesk , if you check my feedbacks they all are related to servers, interspire, mailing
Email Guy: and some of them web design and programming stuff
Email Guy: I sometimes develop websites
Email Guy: on wordpress, joomla, plone and others cms
Me: Ill share with you my email harvesting tactic later on
Me: I THINK its very interesting, but maybe you have seen such a system before
Me: it could be boring to you
Me: I rarely see it used in spam ot me
Email Guy: Sure, show it to me whenever you have time, maybe I have used before if not, it would be good to test it
Email Guy: I will show you active campaign too
Me: ok great
Email Guy: if you like it you can test it
Me: thanks for the consultation
Email Guy: No problem, anytime
Me: can I message you later if I want to get something else?
Email Guy: Sure
Me: great
Me: also message me anytime
Email Guy: if you don't find me here
Email Guy: my email
Email Guy: -------------
Me: let me send you test right now
Me: just so its in my records
Email Guy: ok
Email Guy: Ok, I got it and answered you
Me: quick
