Multiple stealth accounts question?
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HoNeYBiRD
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paid VPNs or private proxies configured in firefox
each to its own
personally i'd go with proxies, because of practical reasons
1st approach: make two copies of the portable firefox, so you could use the same instance of firefox for the same ebay account, configure each foxyproxy with one private proxy and make each firefox remember the username and password of one account, so next time when you're logging in, you will be logging in automatically, but always into the appropriate account and not into the wrong one and you wouldn't have to worry about cookies/cache either
the only thing that you would need to pay attention is enabling the proxy in foxyproxy before logging into the account
this way you can run the 2 firefox instances simultaneously without interferring with each other
the 2nd approach is similar, only difference that you configure one proxy natively in each firefox instance (without using foxyproxy), the advantage that the proxy will be enabled when you start firefox, so you'll be logging into the appropriate account with appropriate proxy without the need of paying attention to anything, the only downside that you can't run the 2 instances simultaneously, because if you configure the proxies in firefox natively, it overrides the system's network settings and it will lead to collision between the instances, but if you only want to run one instance at a time, this approach would be the most fool proof
each to its own
personally i'd go with proxies, because of practical reasons
1st approach: make two copies of the portable firefox, so you could use the same instance of firefox for the same ebay account, configure each foxyproxy with one private proxy and make each firefox remember the username and password of one account, so next time when you're logging in, you will be logging in automatically, but always into the appropriate account and not into the wrong one and you wouldn't have to worry about cookies/cache either
the only thing that you would need to pay attention is enabling the proxy in foxyproxy before logging into the account
this way you can run the 2 firefox instances simultaneously without interferring with each other
the 2nd approach is similar, only difference that you configure one proxy natively in each firefox instance (without using foxyproxy), the advantage that the proxy will be enabled when you start firefox, so you'll be logging into the appropriate account with appropriate proxy without the need of paying attention to anything, the only downside that you can't run the 2 instances simultaneously, because if you configure the proxies in firefox natively, it overrides the system's network settings and it will lead to collision between the instances, but if you only want to run one instance at a time, this approach would be the most fool proof
HoNeYBiRD
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i can't really recommend a proxy provider for ebay, because i have never used any, but you can check out the proxies for sale section, contact the chosen provider and ask if the proxies are good for ebay or not, i'd say most proxies if not all will be good for ebay use, but it's better to ask
select a provider where the price is good, has a vivid sales thread with positive reviews and is around from some time here
blt938
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The thing is, with proxies and VPNs you're taking risks. Yes they can absolutely work as long as the proxy is truly private and/or the VPN gives out dedicated (not shared) IPs. But running an eBay/Paypal account on them is a whole different beast than trying to watch Hulu, for example.
eBay knows of all of the popular VPN/proxy providers and even some VPS companies. They can and will blacklist entire strings of IPs if they are certain they belong to a specific company whose users are abusing the IPs. With a stealth account, your ultimate goal should be to blend in with all of the "normal" (real) accounts, so that eBay has no way of knowing that you were permanently suspended before. People who use proxies and VPNs tend to do so because they have something to hide and because of that, those services naturally draw the attention of spammers, hackers, scammers, and the like - all of whom abuse IPs and can cause services to be blacklisted.
Checking to see who your ISP is can be done in a matter of seconds for free by anyone, so of course eBay with whatever sophisticated tracking technology they use has access to that information as well. Having your ISP say "Random VPN ISP, LLC" doesn't give yourself much credibility, especially comparing to everyone else with real accounts that shows up as AT&T, Comcast, Verizon, etc. Even if you get past their automated bots, chances are that one day you'll have to contact eBay, and that's where the problems begin. As an example, some new accounts face a temporary restriction upon listing their first item and you have 48 hours to call in or else your account is permanently suspended. This restriction is a piece of cake to pass, as they ask very simple questions and then look over your account - but if you're using a proxy or shared VPN, this is where things will go south. I've had to call in for customers quite a few times due to this restriction in the past few years and I've only failed it twice. In both situations the person was using a very popular shared VPN, the rep saw that, and then the permanent suspension happened.
With proxies and most VPNs, you're going to run into various security measures and problems that you wouldn't otherwise have to deal with. As another example, Paypal's infamous "sorry we can't send your payment right now" error tends to happen a lot more often when people use those two above mentioned services. And on eBay's side of things, I can all but guarantee you won't start off with high limits when creating an account with one of those services (and that's if you get limits at all - you have a high chance of staring a 0/0 limit account in the face either immediately, or after a few days/weeks after one of their bots randomly evaluates your account). And those problems are just the starting point. Really, you want to control as many aspects of the stealth process as you possibly can. Here, you are at the mercy of the proxy going down one day, or the IPs being blacklisted.
Are you located in the US? If so, then you have no real reason to use a private proxy for eBay/Paypal. The only upside they have is that they are cheap, but you can just as easily get a cheap VPS (not the best option, but it's much better than a proxy) for around the same price. It's the same with a VPN. There are some advantages to using a VPN (with dedicated IPs), like if you have many accounts and want to run them in virtual machines, but in my opinion that's a better option for someone not living in the US (and trying to run/create US accounts).
For US residents, I always suggest using a dongle/hotspot or phone tethering for running multiple accounts. Yes, you will usually get a completely new IP every time you turn the device on and off, but that's not a bad thing (especially if you want more than two accounts down the road).
The main things to worry about are: 1. the quality of the IP and 2. having cookies/history in place. Dongles/hotspots/tethering run off of the cell phone companies' network, so your ISP will be AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, or T-mobile. Yes, people can and still do abuse mobile IPs but it's much, much less than proxies/VPNs. And eBay can't blacklist those IPs without blacklisting nearly the entire country. As long as you have the original cookies and internet history, you can literally log in with a different IP address everyday as long as #1 still holds true.
You can also have two routers and swap them as an alternative, but that doesn't leave room for growth.
For non-US residents trying to create US accounts, then either a VPS from a company that isn't too popular, or a similar VPN with a dedicated IP will work best. You want to avoid the popular companies since eBay has them on their radar and the chances of a company listed on page 20 of Google having their IPs abused (and eBay knowing about it) is a lot lower than HMA or Hotspotshield.
eBay knows of all of the popular VPN/proxy providers and even some VPS companies. They can and will blacklist entire strings of IPs if they are certain they belong to a specific company whose users are abusing the IPs. With a stealth account, your ultimate goal should be to blend in with all of the "normal" (real) accounts, so that eBay has no way of knowing that you were permanently suspended before. People who use proxies and VPNs tend to do so because they have something to hide and because of that, those services naturally draw the attention of spammers, hackers, scammers, and the like - all of whom abuse IPs and can cause services to be blacklisted.
Checking to see who your ISP is can be done in a matter of seconds for free by anyone, so of course eBay with whatever sophisticated tracking technology they use has access to that information as well. Having your ISP say "Random VPN ISP, LLC" doesn't give yourself much credibility, especially comparing to everyone else with real accounts that shows up as AT&T, Comcast, Verizon, etc. Even if you get past their automated bots, chances are that one day you'll have to contact eBay, and that's where the problems begin. As an example, some new accounts face a temporary restriction upon listing their first item and you have 48 hours to call in or else your account is permanently suspended. This restriction is a piece of cake to pass, as they ask very simple questions and then look over your account - but if you're using a proxy or shared VPN, this is where things will go south. I've had to call in for customers quite a few times due to this restriction in the past few years and I've only failed it twice. In both situations the person was using a very popular shared VPN, the rep saw that, and then the permanent suspension happened.
With proxies and most VPNs, you're going to run into various security measures and problems that you wouldn't otherwise have to deal with. As another example, Paypal's infamous "sorry we can't send your payment right now" error tends to happen a lot more often when people use those two above mentioned services. And on eBay's side of things, I can all but guarantee you won't start off with high limits when creating an account with one of those services (and that's if you get limits at all - you have a high chance of staring a 0/0 limit account in the face either immediately, or after a few days/weeks after one of their bots randomly evaluates your account). And those problems are just the starting point. Really, you want to control as many aspects of the stealth process as you possibly can. Here, you are at the mercy of the proxy going down one day, or the IPs being blacklisted.
Are you located in the US? If so, then you have no real reason to use a private proxy for eBay/Paypal. The only upside they have is that they are cheap, but you can just as easily get a cheap VPS (not the best option, but it's much better than a proxy) for around the same price. It's the same with a VPN. There are some advantages to using a VPN (with dedicated IPs), like if you have many accounts and want to run them in virtual machines, but in my opinion that's a better option for someone not living in the US (and trying to run/create US accounts).
For US residents, I always suggest using a dongle/hotspot or phone tethering for running multiple accounts. Yes, you will usually get a completely new IP every time you turn the device on and off, but that's not a bad thing (especially if you want more than two accounts down the road).
The main things to worry about are: 1. the quality of the IP and 2. having cookies/history in place. Dongles/hotspots/tethering run off of the cell phone companies' network, so your ISP will be AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, or T-mobile. Yes, people can and still do abuse mobile IPs but it's much, much less than proxies/VPNs. And eBay can't blacklist those IPs without blacklisting nearly the entire country. As long as you have the original cookies and internet history, you can literally log in with a different IP address everyday as long as #1 still holds true.
You can also have two routers and swap them as an alternative, but that doesn't leave room for growth.
For non-US residents trying to create US accounts, then either a VPS from a company that isn't too popular, or a similar VPN with a dedicated IP will work best. You want to avoid the popular companies since eBay has them on their radar and the chances of a company listed on page 20 of Google having their IPs abused (and eBay knowing about it) is a lot lower than HMA or Hotspotshield.
Don't go with proxies. I've been doing this for years and I'll tell you the best way that myself as well as everyone on aspkin forums is either a hotspot or using Dialup. Make seperate user accounts for each account on your computer. If you use dialup, use a different account and IP for each account. If you're using a hotspot, hit airplane mode and boom you'll have a new IP each time. Keep track of them all in excel or word to make sure you never use the same one twice.
Are you suggesting NOT to delete cookies and flash object and such after a session?
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blt938
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Correct. You should delete them before creating an account just so you don't link yourself to a suspended account, but after the account is created you want to leave cookies alone. An account that doesn't have cookies each time it logs in is a huge red flag.
You can simply disable flash cookies entirely. No need to keep them on.
You can simply disable flash cookies entirely. No need to keep them on.
"For US residents, I always suggest using a dongle/hotspot or phone tethering for running multiple accounts. Yes, you will usually get a completely new IP every time you turn the device on and off, but that's not a bad thing (especially if you want more than two accounts down the road)"
So say I have 4 accounts, can I use the same hotspot for all of them since I get a different IP each time?
Aren't the IP's too similar and my location can be detected?
So say I have 4 accounts, can I use the same hotspot for all of them since I get a different IP each time?
Aren't the IP's too similar and my location can be detected?
Unless you're in a very small town with few IP's from your provider, it's not a problem, as all that does is narrow you down to what city you're in. I once did an experiment where I logged in every single IP from my phone. I used 10 different accounts where I logged in at least every other day for a month and I never got same IP twice.
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I would use a dedicated clean ip with a vpn or a jet pack and log ips no proxy
Is there any way to build 5 account stealth, and then grow the feedback and buy 1$ items( or another way to win feedback is accepted) automatically?
i have seen many people selling accounts in aspkin so cheap 240$ but i want to get 5 of them.
I have a good business to run through ebay and i would like to know if that`s possible.. maybe the cost of building 5 with an automated bot or any program you recommend i can build more in the future if needed.
I need at least 5 accounts 1000/25000
i have seen many people selling accounts in aspkin so cheap 240$ but i want to get 5 of them.
I have a good business to run through ebay and i would like to know if that`s possible.. maybe the cost of building 5 with an automated bot or any program you recommend i can build more in the future if needed.
I need at least 5 accounts 1000/25000
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