Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by dondada7, Mar 30, 2015.
In my country nobody is doing these schemes so i don't see these sort of people but fucking ell
I think he drunk too many energy drinks...
What is he rambling about?
About how vemma isnt a scam.
Just watched his other videos and he might have something wrong with him, he is so far gone it is sad to watch.
Not sure if trolling, or just autistic.
Vemma isn't a scam its just a regular MLM, but most people don't focus on selling the product.
The key to making money with Vemma is to retail the products by setting up a second company that isn't in your information so you can evade their ban on it, but most of the young people doing Vemma aren't going to know how to setup a such a scheme or be willing to do it since it violates their rules.
If I was Red Bull, I'd use this video in a marketing campaign, with the tagline:
Don't drink Vemma kids!
Vemma was preceded by New Vision International, a Tempe, Arizona-based dietary supplement company founded by Benson Boreyko and his family in 1994. In 1999, New Vision International was ordered by the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) to stop making claims that one of its products ("God's Recipe") was a cure or treatment for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder
New Vision was accused in the FTC complaint of "unfair or deceptive acts or practices, and the making of false advertisements" about the health benefits of some of their products. In the Decision & Order,(https://www.ftc.gov/enforcement/cas...-international-inc-nvi-promotions-llc-jason-p) the FTC ordered New Vision to stop making various claims; specifically they were ordered (1) to stop saying that one of their product recipes was effective in treating ADD or ADHD, or useful as an alternative to Ritalin; (2) that they not indicate or imply that any testimonial or endorsement of any of their products is typical or ordinary; and (3), that they make no claims about safety or effectiveness in reducing the risk of developing any disease or disorder; and that they communicate all this to their team members in mailings
In March 2014, the Italian consumer protection agency, Autorità Garante della Concorrenza e del Mercato (AGCM), fined Vemma Italia (Vemma's Italian branch) €100,000. The AGCM found that Vemma was acting as a pyramid scheme by encouraging recruitment as the primary means of profit, rather than product sales.
It is a pyramid scheme with a product. I'm pretty sure this dude is just taking the piss because you'd have to be pretty stupid to think its a real 'opportunity'.
Okay yeah, they are taking the piss an its actually pretty funny.
"I've been doing it for two years and I haven't made any money yet..."
Most brainwashed person you have ever seen? You have obviously never seen Charlie Mullen. Oh sorry, that is brain-dead not brain-washed.
You can tell the way he acts in the videos by doing that serial killer stare into the camera that he isnt all there, im 100% sure he os being serious.
But its not a true pyramid scheme as a person has the option to focus on sales over recruitment, its just like every other MLM.
The guy is clearly using cocaine
I dont know how you could persuade 3-4 other people to spend time out of their day to come and troll with you on youtube.
The drink is expensive, so you would only be able to make decent money selling it at a places where an energy drink for $4 for a 8.4 oz is not an a large expense. If you had a bunch of retail stores and 2 other people in your company to sign up you could probably make a killing with vemma.
Person A signs up Person B and C and they sell to some of the locations along with you, and the commission from the cycles that Person A earns is split up between the three.
I don't know. I live about 26 miles from the MLM capitol of the world - Utah County, Utah, and about 50 - 60 from the MLM capitol of the county - Provo, Utah.
From what I have seen, it takes on more of the persona of a Pyramid scheme.
They aren't not Pyramid Schemes they just give bad marketing advice to people that join. Its not even complicated to understand a way to make money selling Vemma.
Pyramid schemes never sell themselves as a pyramid scheme. Just ask Bernie Madof.
A Pyramid Scheme is when the person that sets it up is taking the money for himself with no product. A person can't lose money on Vemma if they understand how to retail it.
What is the difference between a Ponzi and a pyramid scheme?
By Arthur Pinkasovitch
Pyramid schemes and Ponzi schemes share many similar characteristics in which unsuspecting individuals are fooled by unscrupulous investors who promise extraordinary returns. However, in contrast to a regular investment, these types of schemes can offer consistent "profits" only as long as the number of investors continues to increase. Ponzi and pyramid schemes are self sustaining as long as cash outflows can be matched by monetary inflows. The basic difference arises in the type of products that schemers offer their clients and the structure of the two ploys.
Ponzi schemes are based on fraudulent investment management services - basically investors contribute money to the "portfolio manager" who promises them a high return, and then when those investors want their money back they are paid out with the incoming funds contributed by later investors. The person organizing this type of fraud is in charge of controlling the entire operation; they merely transfer funds from one client to another and forgo any real investment activities.
On the other hand, a pyramid scheme is structured so that the initial schemer must recruit other investors who will continue to recruit other investors and those investors will then continue to recruit additional investors and so on. Sometimes there will be an incentive that is presented as an investment opportunity, such as the right to sell a particular product. Each investor pays the person who recruited them for the chance to sell this item. The recipient must share the proceeds with those at the higher levels of the pyramid structure."
How Ponzi Schemes Work
by Josh Clark and Jane McGrath
"Many people associate Ponzi schemes with pyramid schemes. While they do share some similarities, they're not exactly the same. If you think about the organization and methodology behind a Ponzi scheme, it certainly has a triangular structure. The schemer sits at the top, above continually increasing rungs of investors. However, there are fundamental differences between how classic pyramid schemes are carried out and how Ponzi schemes are executed.
The essential difference between a pyramid scheme and a Ponzi scheme is that a Ponzi schemer will only ask you to invest in something. You won't be asked to take any more action than handing over money. He or she will claim to take care of the rest and give you your returns later. The Ponzi schemer is the mastermind behind the whole system and is always shuffling money from one place to another.
On the other hand, a pyramid schemer will offer you an opportunity to make the money yourself. It requires more work, though: You have to buy the right to start a franchise and start recruiting more people like yourself. The recruits will often pay the recruiter a cut of their profits. You can read How Pyramid Schemes Work to understand more about that process."
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