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Morality and ethics.

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by spess_mehren, Jul 8, 2010.

  1. spess_mehren

    spess_mehren Newbie

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    Hello, I've been browsing this forum for a while and from some of the threads I've seen, I'm curious about the morals and ethics people here abide by. Some of the practices I've seen here aren't exactly the honest way of making some extra cash, after all.

    So what does morality and ethics mean to you? How do you feel about your income from CPA sites? Do you feel that you've earned the money? Does spamming everything bother you guys at all?
     
  2. RebelMaster

    RebelMaster Junior Member

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    And you are here at BHW because ...???? :rolleyes:

    RM
     
  3. spess_mehren

    spess_mehren Newbie

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    Google.
     
  4. tacopalypse

    tacopalypse Executive VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    i think you're generalizing a bit. there's 115k members on this forum. we all have different morals and ethics.

    personally, i try to keep my ethics and my money making separate.
     
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  5. pr250

    pr250 Junior Member

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    I have ethics. Im really against financial/identity fraud, password stealing, data gathering trojans etc but anything else is fair game.
     
  6. enes9

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    Hey this is BHW. Everything goes... Just don't mess with your co-BHW member...
     
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    Some of us have them. I'm not sure about the guy below though, you see what he thinks?


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    According to Plato... Fuck that, let's make some $$$ and help others do the same :p

    One day, if you -ever- decide to change the world, the dough made on BHW will come handy if you don't want to end up being the next useless whiner only capable of talking...

    If your goal is not changing the wold, well, just enjoy the ride, you're only give one shot.
     
  9. Grizzy

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    It's a lot more then 'extra cash' brah.
     
  10. therat

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    In reality the more value you offer, the better you will do.

    If you fill a void in the market with a product or do SEO on a website
    that links to a quality product or high paying keywords you will do much better both in the short run and long run.

    I have definitely done my share of BlackHat stuff in my IM career and Im not saying not to. But by offering valuable products and info, being a respectable publisher/advertiser with ethics (which just means caring about your visitor/client), you will make you WAAY more $$ over the long run
     
  11. Halilovic-Squad

    Halilovic-Squad Regular Member

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    Everyone here picks the stuff which is OK with his/her morals & ethics...
    ...theres a lot of stuff for everyone - you can even go completely WhiteHat if you like to.
    It is (as always) a matter of choice...
    ...and really - you should know which field you are in here - at least we don`t talk about how to kill someone the best way.
     
  12. voyevoda

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    Morals? I'm amoral. :)
     
  13. Fwiffo

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    Op - what specifically are you referring to?

    CPA is a perfectly ethical source of income - one gets paid X amount if they refer someone who willingly submits their zip and email address - no different than the people who do surveys in malls and get paid for each one that gets completed (although with people doing surveys in malls you don't really have that much anonymity as a consumer....)

    Emailing, when done with an opt out, is perfectly legal, and really no different than direct mail companies who shove thousands of flyers in my mailbox every year. (Come to think of it, direct mail companies don't have the option to opt out of receiving their junk....)
     
  14. RoscoeT

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    When I strike it rich I plan to hire an ethics adviser, until then fuck that nonsense.

    Surely you be trollin to ask such a question on a place called BHW...
     
  15. GreenGoblin

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    If the USA was built on morals and ethics then maybe Iframing, spamming etc would be a little distasteful HOWEVER since my country and I'm speaking of the USA is full of shit, and I take notice that everyone who's full of shit there rich so as the old saying goes "When in rome do as the romans do" with that said, I feel if your not hurting anyone physically from promoting your business who gives a rats ass.
     
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  16. GreyWolf

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    ethics is a tough topic in this day and age because it isn't taught the way it used to be. Most people to some extent are expected to just somehow develop them on their own. That doesn't mean they aren't necessary, just that many young people today aren't taught them.

    There was a time when the number one ethical value was that "a man is only as good as his word". Every kid learned this as they were growing up and by the time they were ready to enter the workforce or the business world this concept was a core foundation of our principles.

    Today people don't seem to be learning these types of things, which is why so much is going wrong in the world financially. People think that it's OK to just say whatever they need to in order to get what they want, but then when it comes time to back up they're words many people are willing to sell off their integrity just to make a few bucks.

    It's pretty sad really, because if you take away everything else, all that your left with is how much you can be trusted. If a person's word means nothing, then really as an individual neither do they. Without integrity a man is worth nothing more than his possessions.

    That doesn't mean you can't have integrity and still do blackhat things. There isn't anything wrong with taking advantage of situations when they present themselves, it just means that you need to keep things on the right side of becoming a scam. You can definately work within some grey areas and still maintain your integrity. Even things as blackhat as ewhoring can be done ethically, as long as you giving the guys what they want. If you say hey go sign up for this offer and then i'll send some naked pics, then as long as you send him some naked pics you stood by your word. The fact that it isn't you is a grey area, but all he really wants is to see pics of a naked girl. Actually if you came clean and told him you weren't a girl, that would be worse. Standing by your word in that situation really means send him some pics that he can reasonably believe is the girl he thinks he's talking to. In this type of case you're just offering a fantasy, so that's what needs to be delivered. On the other hand if he thinks your a girl and you say send me some money and I'll come out to visit you, then your just scamming him. Unless you have a gf or someone thats willing to go out to meet the guy. That of course would move into the category of prostitution, which isn't really unethical but is definately illegal in most places. LOL.

    If you attract visitors to your website because they think they're going to find some info they're looking for, but when they get there you redirect them to some other offer you haven't scammed them. If they aren't interested then they'll just move on, if they are interested then it doesn't really matter how you got them there.

    A lot of blackhat methods might be sleazy and it isn't for everyone, but it doesn't necessarily mean you lack integrity.

    When you get into things like blackhat site promotion and SEO, it's even less of a problem. In most cases your dealing with things like algorithms. There is nothing unethical about gaming a system. Doing thing such as faking clicks for a cpa offers so you can get paid for nonexistant traffic, stealing someones personal and financial info, or things like that are definately unethical. But blackhat SEO and site promotion isn't about theft, it's just about getting people to see your offers who really might be interested in it.

    Where ethics comes into play is every time you read one of the shitlist threads started because someone got scammed. The guy that says he'll provide you some service, takes your money and then doesn't provide service has never learned what integrity is all about. Those people are walking through life thinking they're getting over on people, but really they're just becoming worthless people. By not being good for their word, they've just become worthless people. It's pretty sad really, because people like that could disappear from the world it would really be a better place.

    When you're thinking about ethics that's a good place to start. If you were to disappear from the world, would it be a better place?

    So, for all you people that were never taught about ethics and integrity. The first principle you should learn is the one I started this post with.

    "A man is only as good as his word."
     
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    Pro athletes and "celebrities" openly have parties with illegal drugs. Known by law enforcement but not acted upon.

    People illegally break into White House party - not prosecuted and end up on TV show.

    Gansta thugs pulled off the street and turned into music celebrities overnight.

    NFL QB and NBA star rapes women - not prosecuted and still makes Million$.

    Politicians pocket taxpayer money "legally".

    Those are all examples out in the open - publicly known - and you're worried about what we're talking about here?

    F-That.

    If those lowly pieces of trashes get the cash then we Deserve the cash (at least we work for it).

    Mike
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