Mods in the BST section approving more junk

It bears pointing out also that some BST providers will do a fabulous job for the mod, and the first bunch of customers, and them find themselves unable to maintain that level of quality.

Many of the BST's get good reviews at first while they are hungry to do their job and get the money. After that they get either overwhelmed, or just start to goof off. I have hired VA's from here that start out gangbusters, I pay when they tell me the task is finished, then the product is delivered. At first they deliver great work and on time. The last time I had to ask for my article 4 times after I paid the invoice because they never delivered.

I can't understand how a BST gets approved that promises 100% manual work, 100% save and #1 promised for low 3 digits.
That's impossible and a clear lie.

I have seen many forums and their sales sections too! I have found the BHW leading everywhere... No doubt there may Shity thread but at the time of submitting thread they provide their best to get approved later they can use that thread just to make money!

m.rvs2141 said:

I respect your desire to make the forum cleaner, but not sure that it takes positive effect, so far most of the seo services here bring 0 or negotive results)

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Ask your self! Is some one is offering 20 web 2.0s at BHW in $5 what do you think are those enough to get positive results one BST is not enough! I hope you can understand what I want to say!

BHW's mods are active as compare to other forums look up the owner is here and watching his forum too. Who have seen this on other forums?
Blaming the mods not gonna make It! They don't deserve it. Blame your self cz you are the buyer...

At most sale thread writes We will give you full refund if we don't deliver the job in maximum of 10 - 15 days time! or We'll only process refunds if we haven't started your work yet, or if we don't deliver within a reasonable amount of time after the normal TAT ....etc but at all these threads title says Super Rank ! or Rank your sites with your OWN PBN , If they trust their asses then they must write if we will not rank your site or site's then we will give you full refund ......

Techxan said:

It bears pointing out also that some BST providers will do a fabulous job
for the mod, and the first bunch of customers, and them find themselves unable to maintain that level of quality.

Many of the BST's get good reviews at first while they are hungry to do their job and get the money. After that they get either overwhelmed, or just start to goof off.

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i duno , 6 yrs ive done 2/3 refunds, and they wernt ask for
they were people i threw out.

blueplanet said:

At most sale thread writes We will give you full refund if we don't deliver the job in maximum of 10 - 15 days time! or We?ll only process refunds if we haven?t started your work yet, or if we don?t deliver within a reasonable amount of time after the normal TAT ....etc but at all these threads title says Super Rank ! or Rank your sites with your OWN PBN , If they trust their asses then they must write if we will not rank your site or site's then we will give you full refund ......

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I have to disagree with this point. No BST seller should refund you your money if your site didn't rank. If you are expecting your site to rank with just a bunch of PBN links then you are delusional. You should understand that SEO is not about a few links. You need to look at the bigger picture and understand how to properly build links. PBN links act as a stimulant but they alone cannot rank your site.

But if the seller fails to deliver on his promise or the links you received are of lower quality than advertised then yes, you should be entitled to a full refund.

Really ? if I gave $400 - 500 for seo then i must see some good rank at my site , yes seo is not about few links and as i said if you dont trust your ass then do not open sale thread or you should put Refund guarantee

Chintoo said:

I have to disagree with this point. No BST seller should refund you your money if your site didn't rank. If you are expecting your site to rank with just a bunch of PBN links then you are delusional. You should understand that SEO is not about a few links. You need to look at the bigger picture and understand how to properly build links. PBN links act as a stimulant but they alone cannot rank your site.

But if the seller fails to deliver on his promise or the links you received are of lower quality than advertised then yes, you should be entitled to a full refund.

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The title of that thread, the pattern of OP's writing reminds me of a guy who has been banned multiple times. He always promise to give nothing less than 1k links, and some from facebook! Google, and Twitter homepage.

I think the mods are doing a good job, but I would have to say that there are so many BST's its hard oto find a very good one. One thing I have liked is that fullpackage forum, I usually know what I will get there

May I suggest that for an SEO backlink service, the website HAS to see improvements before it goes live?

People may get furious about me, but I think everyone had right to speech and not directing my words on anyone personally.

It's between the mods and the buyers/non-BST members. So, I guess it's not fair for the BST members to respond here taking it personally. I'm not taking it personally or anything being a reseller of services, but I'm just thing of a rule in SL sub-forums, a bit altered though.

proxygo said:

i duno , 6 yrs ive done 2/3 refunds, and they wernt ask for
they were people i threw out.

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Yours is one of the services that maintains the quality, from all I have read.

Techxan said:

Yours is one of the services that maintains the quality, from all I have read.

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delivering what u promise creates word of mouth...
and although i might not be the most easy going vip bit out spoken
taking that aside, the product will deliver what it says, and u get my sarcasm
free of charge

No doubt Mods have a huge task and they're doing a great job at it. It's understandable that occasionally once in a while a slip up may occur and it's our duty to bring that to their attention, which we have done.

As for the BST section, I might not get a lot of support for this particular idea but I still think there's way too many BSTs here. Back in the day it used to take a good couple weeks to even get a thread under review, and then another 3-4 weeks before a Moderator approved it (after looking at results). I understand that BHW is a business, but the current quality of SEO services being published are quite poor, or just garbage. It seems that almost anyone can just open a BST with no experience and sell well due to the easy acceptance.

I would suggest something like a higher fee. Instead of $40, which is incredibly low, why not charge $100 per BST? I don't even mind paying a monthly fee of $100 or something if that means the quality in the marketplace will improve - which it should.. those serious about providing a solid service will be happy paying a monthly fee. Those looking to make a quick buck with their BSTs will obviously hate this idea. Anyways - just a suggestion. Just my 2cents.

finally someone made thread about... here's what I think all about this as I had a lot good and bad experience in spending $ in BST particularly in seo section

1) it takes only 100 post and Jr.VIP donation and 1 simple to a mod for approval and you can start making mad $ and do nothing simply claim no reports and then try prove it he did this job or not but they do charge 100-500$ per each sell

2) why seo services since 2009/2010/2011 still out there promising they will get you #1 with them 100 sape links without any reports ?! didn't we all know the algos changes almost every month or few those tactics that's they claim to do and will get you ranking outdated a years ago but the trick is is gaineded a lot views and reply's over a this years and fresh noobs go and blow $ on them based on reviews from years ago

3) 1 service out of 10 with my experience will get you results and 8 services out 10 will get you what they promised... all kinds sites been tested fresh and seo optimized and here's another important factor in 90% case study sells without reports simply taking your $ and doing nothing specially the ones from 2009/2010/2011 im not sure why they even still there when is 2014 well perhaps someone benefits from that and let them still having there

4) I think mods or owners got nothing to do with service ends up shitty as is only takes to gave them 1 review copy and you good to go scam your ways to the top

I personally after all my experience with BST spend 10x less then I use
I usually buys fresh services this days because as experience shows they will do 2x better then they would next time because those early feedback's that's all the matters til this services became worth a horsesh...

I do believe in mods and owners that they will put heavy restrictions on seo services by at lease checking them up once a month as they become worthless super soon almost impossible to find returning costumers in none of those seo services

and is should take more then 100 post and 100$ for sellers to start making $ on noobs that don't know better where is seo and where is scam
add sticky thread with TIP's for noobs on how to pick good services and avoid more likely money waste
and threads from 2-6 years old should be like closed or something as is pure money waste
no reports threads should be prohibited at all costs as is doesn't gave any kind guarantees and im sure noobs just getting F in A from my experience what I been told why in 25 day TAT i haven't notice any results i got told is takes months and months til they BL's appears now it will take you years to build your seo if you wan a see type a BL's from "no reports" threads

before anyone start judging my opinion... only God can judge me!

Leith said:

No doubt Mods have a huge task and they're doing a great job at it. It's understandable that occasionally once in a while a slip up may occur and it's our duty to bring that to their attention, which we have done.

As for the BST section, I might not get a lot of support for this particular idea but I still think there's way too many BSTs here. Back in the day it used to take a good couple weeks to even get a thread under review, and then another 3-4 weeks before a Moderator approved it (after looking at results). I understand that BHW is a business, but the current quality of SEO services being published are quite poor, or just garbage. It seems that almost anyone can just open a BST with no experience and sell well due to the easy acceptance.

I would suggest something like a higher fee. Instead of $40, which is incredibly low, why not charge $100 per BST? I don't even mind paying a monthly fee of $100 or something if that means the quality in the marketplace will improve - which it should.. those serious about providing a solid service will be happy paying a monthly fee. Those looking to make a quick buck with their BSTs will obviously hate this idea. Anyways - just a suggestion. Just my 2cents.

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I completely agree with you on that one. $40 and 100 posts is nothing and a good provider will pay that amount. I think post count should also be 500 so it shows that you've been around the forum.

The quality of BSTs has gone down and all of these new services are popping up and they just crowd the good services. It's no wonder we see noobs joining the forum and just asking which service is the best because even they say there are too many.

BHW is a business but quality needs to be maintained.

Leith said:

I would suggest something like a higher fee. Instead of $40, which is incredibly low, why not charge $100 per BST? I don't even mind paying a monthly fee of $100 or something if that means the quality in the marketplace will improve - which it should.. those serious about providing a solid service will be happy paying a monthly fee. Those looking to make a quick buck with their BSTs will obviously hate this idea. Anyways - just a suggestion. Just my 2cents.

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Gotta love getting rid of competitors because you can afford something while others can't. Smells like corporate america. Think about some of the article writers here. They probably are not making enough to pay 100 a month just to have their thread open but their services are DAMN worth it. That is not to say that a price increase would overall probably increase the quality which I am all for. So that is just a small issue.

My main issue with BST approval is that I think the mods should take time to at least write more than a sentence. They got the biggest package offered (or at least that was the rule?), the very least they could do if they will approve it is give everyone some thoughts, ranking screenshots, ect. BHW has some full time staff, I think they can leave a little more feedback than "op approved".

antichrist said:

Gotta love getting rid of competitors because you can afford something while others can't. Smells like corporate america. Think about some of the article writers here. They probably are not making enough to pay 100 a month just to have their thread open but their services are DAMN worth it. That is not to say that a price increase would overall probably increase the quality which I am all for. So that is just a small issue.

My main issue with BST approval is that I think the mods should take time to at least write more than a sentence. They got the biggest package offered (or at least that was the rule?), the very least they could do if they will approve it is give everyone some thoughts, ranking screenshots, ect. BHW has some full time staff, I think they can leave a little more feedback than "op approved".

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No one said anything about increasing the prices for article writing services. I guess I should have made myself clear: I was specifically talking about SEO services that are charging a particular amount - e.g: $100 or more.

I can understand peoples frustrations when BST threads like the one linked to are approved and the sales pitch sound like such an obvious scam but it's already been stated that the seller may provide a perfect product/service to the mod that is responsible for testing and then provide a worthless product/service or even nothing to subsequent buyers.

I am a member of numerous forums that have had either currently or historically some form of buying and selling section. These are usually unmoderated and it is simply buyer beware time if you choose to go ahead with a deal. Yes the seller can be reported if they are scammers but by that time it's too late. This is one of VERY few communities where the BST section is heavily monitored and moderated, most sellers on here are genuine, some excellent, some good, some not so good and occasionally a bad one slips through. Try going to one of the forums with no moderation on the BST sections, they will have disclaimers that state all trades are at your own risk!!

Personally I think the mods do an incredibly difficult job very well. We can't just go around bashing them when they occasionally get it wrong. At least on this site there is an option for mediation in the shitlist section, many sites will just say tough luck, you lost you money but all we can do is ban the guy.

Nobody wants to lose money and if you are careful and don't jump in without reading and researching carefully yourself then you will limit any losses. I simply searched google for one or two lines from the sales pitch on the thread and found a couple of similar sales pitches on other sites which had already been called out as scams but if 2 minutes for a google search is too much trouble to prevent yourself losing $xxx then on your own head be it.

Final note: We are mostly adults on this site and should act accordingly, if you are still expecting someone to hold your hand and tell you what to do then you shouldn't be here!

The main thing that's missing is eBay type transparent review and rankings

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While I understand how hectic mods' work can get, I believe there should be a little more effort pointed to the SEO marketplace section specifically. As antichrist mentioned, a few realistic words about a particular service could be way more beneficial.

The turning downside in terms of quality here imho was all those PBN and guest posting services popping out every single day. Seriously, 85% of them are even worse that what you'd usually get on WF. Seems like every Tom and their dog who bought a couple of expired domains are running a "high quality PBN BST" now. Way below par indeed!

Some older members pointed out the process of approving a BST before. The SEO environment as a whole is way too dynamic nowadays and a service can't be approved solely based on results. Tightening the SEO marketplace however could be a wise decision in terms of improving quality which is quite bad lately.

everythingred said:

BHW is a business but quality needs to be maintained.

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And this actually makes perfect sense.