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mjd2nd and partner (seth frank) are scammers

Discussion in 'The Shit List' started by dizz, Nov 23, 2009.

  1. dizz

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    Hello,

    I don't normally post on here, but I was contacted by mjd2nd to mail for him and his partner that he had gotten in a JV with. I had had dealings with mjd2nd before, not money related and he seemed ok, so I quoted my price for sending 500k emails for $750. We let him slide on $250 upfront so the first price was only $500 with an outstanding balance of $250. I got the payment, payed what I needed to start to mail the messages to their list. There was a thunderstorm and the power went out, so the message sending and my contact with them was interrupted, but the messages still went out within a business day (8 1/2 hrs)... Two days later I receive a message saying that I didn't send the emails, and I kept the list for "my own uses", and I received a charge back for the first payment of $500. There was no asking for a refund, or a resend, which we would have done. Since there wasn't any conversations about asking for a refund or resend, and having the chargeback come up out of the blue, leads us to think that they are just wanting the service done, without paying for it. There is currently a PP dispute currently and it will probably escalate into a claim, of which I am not sure of the result. We may have to take legal action since they are US based, in order to obtain not only the first charge, but the outstanding balance as well.

    Oh, and we will also put up proof of conversations that we have had prior representing that mjd2nd was trying to retract his name from the business that was done, he admitted that having 700 uniques the night that we sent the emails, as well as they were reusing the list over and over again, with the same reply to email, hence trying to sell the same stuff to the same people, over and over again, which any experienced emailer knows that you can only send to a list a couple times for the same purpose, but you will get diminishing returns for each mailing. So we will start posting our proof now and let you all look at it. If anyone recognizes the name Seth Frank or Frank Media Group, I would dearly like to know his BHW name, because it should be right there next to mjd2nd.
     
  2. dizz

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    Here is the evidence as per what the buyer and I are discussing in the paypal dispute, but I escalated it to claims.

    From Buyer - Frank Media Group

    11/21/2009 22:47 PST

    I purchased goods that were supposed to be delivered with express shipment immediately. I spoke to the individual but once I made payment all I got from was delays and more bull talk. I was paying a premium for it to be expedited and all they did was feed me more excuses. I've sent e-mails and left messages without a response. I spoke with my bank about filing a chargeback for the amount in question but was told to go through these channels first. I do no apprecaite being given the round around.

    From Seller - Amanda Scott

    11/22/2009 11:50 PST

    Due to a lightning storm, the expedited services that he was mentioning was put on hold. I did complete the service within a timely manner and the payment I had requested had a percentage off of it due to the large amount that the service cost. I did not give the customer a run around. I explained quite clearly the issues, but with no response. Power outages cannot be avoided. But I completed the service. There weren't any emails, of that I am certain, as no messages go to spam box on my website's server. I also responded to all messages. If the services weren't to his liking, well, there was no guarantee that there would be responses. I just did the sending, he wrote his message and had his lists, of which I can not be held responsible. This is a total rip off, and I cannot abide having done the service, but getting the money that I put into this service just taken away because the buyer didn't get the response that he was hoping for.

    From Seller - Amanda Scott

    11/22/2009 13:09 PST

    Also, there is no proof of non receipt, as this transaction was made electronically, and the goods were electronic as well. It was a service rendered, not a product to be received.

    From Buyer - Frank Media Group

    11/22/2009 14:00 PST

    This is the email that they sent me:

    First of all, the power outage was a stopper. The second thing about the

    invoice. Well, as I am considerably busy with my own projects, that had

    gotten placed on a backburner. What in the world would I need your lists

    for, as I have plenty of ways to get my own. I scrape emails, thats one of

    the things I do. Plus, I think your list probably isnt that good, based

    upon a) its size, and b) it is probably aged. I didn't put the emails

    through a verifier, based upon the fact that you should have done that

    yourself. And I am gathering all of the proof that I had sent the emails,

    including all of the conversations that we had. I did go to sleep, so yes,

    that is why there was such a pause, as I am working through the day as well

    as into part of the night, in order to get your order finished. I am sorry

    if that is your issue, but that really is not any concern of yours, and its

    not any concern of our that you had a bad day with your family, and yet you

    take it out on us like a spoiled child. We are going to take this up

    through paypal and through bhw, and any other places that you are doing

    business on, as I am sure that I can find a lot out. You still owe us

    money, so I think that you are just trying to not pay anything because you

    didn't get the response that you were hoping for.

    Jason and Amanda

    New Wave Promotion

    Also in regards to Amanda's comment above. Not only did they not contact me I had to go look for them to get a response. I was never given updates unless I pestered them for it. I was not told about any holds until they responded 7 hours after this was supposed to be delivered. The truth is the money is not the issue but them doing the right thing is. There is principle involved. They did not deliver on what I paid for, not only was it not expedited it was severely delayed without any correspondence. I have asked for support, a response, and an invoice but nothing.

    From Buyer - Frank Media Group

    11/22/2009 14:08 PST

    I do not see this issue being taken care of by New Wave Promotion. On 11/27 I will be escalating this to a PayPal claim and will be providing all emails and IM's sent. The last email they not only admitted that they didn't do what they were supposed to but then they threatened me. I will be talking to my bank as well.

    From Seller - Amanda Scott

    11/22/2009 15:22 PST

    There was no threat involved here. He misinterpreted things that were said. Due to circumstances that were out of our control, this interruption happened. Also, if he had mentioned his dissatisfaction prior to this dispute, we could have resent the emails, or came to a nice solution. As of now, however, there is still an outstanding balance of $250 that the buyer owes. The invoice wasn't sent because as a company, we have many responsibilities and the document was overlooked. The invoice will be sent as per what we said to his partner. We did inform the buyer beforehand that there was an electrical storm before 7 hours after the service was supposed to be completed. I can have evidence given to paypal that the service was rendered and the buyer still owes on his account with us $250. With services rendered, however, there is no guarantee of result. They were still sent in a timely manner. One work day is about the right time for such a task.

    From Seller - Amanda Scott

    11/22/2009 15:36 PST

    There was no threat involved here. He misinterpreted things that were said. Due to circumstances that were out of our control, this interruption happened. Also, if he had mentioned his dissatisfaction prior to this dispute, we could have resent the emails, or came to a nice solution. As of now, however, there is still an outstanding balance of $250 that the buyer owes. The invoice wasn't sent because as a company, we have many responsibilities and the document was overlooked. The invoice will be sent as per what we said to his partner. We did inform the buyer beforehand that there was an electrical storm before 7 hours after the service was supposed to be completed. I can have evidence given to paypal that the service was rendered and the buyer still owes on his account with us $250. With services rendered, however, there is no guarantee of result. They were still sent in a timely manner. One work day is about the right time for such a task.

    From Seller - Amanda Scott

    11/22/2009 15:54 PST

    Invoice was just sent to the buyer. As most companies we do our invoices on the week days, not the weekends, but our regular schedules were disrupted by this extreme accusation.

    From Seller - Amanda Scott

    11/22/2009 16:06 PST

    This is the statement from his partner who had gotten me in contact with the buyer and is now trying to distance himself from the issue.

    mjd2nd (2:57:44 PM): sry man i was asleep

    dizzteam (2:58:18 PM): no you guys ripped me off

    dizzteam (2:58:26 PM): i did the service

    dizzteam (2:58:43 PM): and you still owe me

    dizzteam (2:58:51 PM): this is a scam

    mjd2nd (2:58:59 PM): Where are the numbers? sending out that many emails and all we are seeing is 500 uniques

    dizzteam (2:59:08 PM): i will do everything to get my money

    mjd2nd (2:59:19 PM): man i am just the middle man

    mjd2nd (2:59:21 PM): i'll talk to him

    dizzteam (2:59:38 PM): i amd checking your list for how many deads are in it

    dizzteam (3:00:32 PM): and i never guaranteed how much youwill make based on my service. I just said this is my statistics and i did the job

    mjd2nd (3:00:53 PM): but were haven't even seen 1K uniques for 468K c'mon man

    mjd2nd (3:00:55 PM): let's be real

    dizzteam (3:02:34 PM): We have the proof we did it, and we are going to take it to paypal and bhw, and put it in a public forum. Just because you didnt get uniques, is not my fault. and you even said that the list is bad, and when I do the verification and find out how many emails are bad, then i will know for sure that you didnt do your job in checking the emails.

    dizzteam (3:02:43 PM): now you be real

    mjd2nd (3:03:18 PM): dude chill out, i'll talk to him, what did he say to you? i just woke up and your freaking out on my...don't post anything on bhw until i know whats the hell is going on

    dizzteam (3:03:41 PM): one sec and i will cut and paste.

    mjd2nd (3:03:45 PM): kk

    mjd2nd (3:04:02 PM): honestly man they were all his lists...i'm just the middle man

    dizzteam (3:07:42 PM): we have saved every bit of our emails and recent conversations, and we are still going to bill him for the other 250 and if this isn't resolved then i am going to take it to bhw, because if you dont question who you are working with, you wont be working with anyone, becaus

    From Seller - Amanda Scott

    11/22/2009 16:08 PST

    Well, the full log I have in my records and if you as Paypal, would like to view it, please email me at my email.

    From Buyer - Frank Media Group

    11/22/2009 16:48 PST

    Let the record reflect that I do not have a partner. I have never had a partner. A friend referred me to you. As per my last post in this thread any communication will take place via this medium and not a messaging service or via e-mail.

    53 minutes ago an invoice was finally sent but after I sent payment I asked for an invoice for my records and now only after a dispute has been made have they taken attention to this and to and provided with me one.

    I have saved every piece communication you have sent me as well. The only email I ever received before the invoice just sent was the threat that I posted on here.
     
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    I escalated the dispute to a claim, with the following statement.

    On the evening of Friday, November 20, the buyer and his partner contacted me in relation to doing a service for them. I negotiated price and payment arrangements, $500 upfront, and the following Friday, the remaining $250 would be paid in full. The buyer didn't want to pay for our service up front, but that is our company policy to have at least part of the cost up front and the rest after. Our delivery of invoices if the business occurs after our normal business hours is the following business day, which would be Monday, today. Since our service is electronic, we had to begin, but our service was interrupted by a lightning storm, which caused a power outage at our main server. Therefore, there was an interruption in our time line. I informed the buyer(s) that the service was interrupted, and when I could begin again safely for my equipment, I would resume where I had stopped. I finished the service within 8 hours. The end result of which wasn't my responsibility, as I only performed the service as per what I agreed to. There was a lapse in communication with the buyer(s) due to the late time of the conversations, as I had gone to sleep while performing the automated service. They had admitted to us (of which we have proof based upon communications with the buyers), that our service produced traffic towards their objective, but not very many sales. That of course is not our responsibility, as we cannot guarantee sales, or what individuals' responses will be. It would be ridiculous to believe so. His very first statement about how our company did not provide the service was fraudulent based upon our evidence of results, that he cannot deny either. The results of our service may have been considerably different than he assumed, but that is on a case by case basis. With their behavior, with a sole email and hardly any other contact edgewise, it is our belief that they only opened the dispute to get back the money that they didn't plan on spending in the first place.
     
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    So what's the entire idea? Did you promise them 468k emails, or a certain number of traffic from your emails?

    How did you meet him? BHW?
     
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    Oh, and being that it was a service, I don't think you'll win the claim =/
     
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    The man who paid us, has blocked us on AIM, we dont know if we can give his id or not, but here are the emails that he has written us. As well as our replies.

    Sole email prior to dispute filed 5 hours later

    Hello,

    I purchased a block of emailing from you to send my list of over 500k out. Great I was told it would be between 4 and 8. Fine. I get an instant message saying something along the lines of ''your e-mails will be sending out in 30 minutes". This is after 8pm. 4 hours later I inquire about the mailings because I have not seen a single hit and the response I get is "oh he is thunderstorms and isn't online, i'll get back to you when I have an update". This is not how you do things. I tried to contact him a few times and didn't get a response until this morning saying all e-mails were sent out by 1am. Fast forward to today, the last time I e-mailed I sent 6000 emails out on a Thursday and 10 days later (today) I had a 100 uniques and 3 sales. You guys "sent" 500,000 emails out and I have 580 uniques.

    Here is what I think happened. Someone didn't do what they were supposed to. Someone mailed some and then took my list for their personal benefit to use elsewhere. 2 weeks ago I was sending out 10 to 15k emails a day and was geting on average 4000 uniques a day with the same ad copy. I know the whole list wasn't mailed. I've asked twice for a complete invoice of what was sent, what the total cost was and I have gotten no response.

    I've talked to my bank and I've talked to paypal. They both suggested I contact you first. If we cannot come to an agreement on a refund. I will be filing a claim with paypal for a chargeback and with my banking.

    Please let me know how you want to proceed. I feel like the communication on your side has been nothing short of horrible.

    Seth




    At the time this was sent, we were at a photo shoot for Amanda, we don't work on the computer much on the weekends, because we schedule her work for those days. This was our reply to him after seeing the dispute first.

    First of all, the power outage was a stopper. The second thing about the
    invoice. Well, as I am considerably busy with my own projects, that had
    gotten placed on a backburner. What in the world would I need your lists
    for, as I have plenty of ways to get my own. I scrape emails, thats one of
    the things I do. Plus, I think your list probably isnt that good, based
    upon a) its size, and b) it is probably aged. I didn't put the emails
    through a verifier, based upon the fact that you should have done that
    yourself. And I am gathering all of the proof that I had sent the emails,
    including all of the conversations that we had. I did go to sleep, so yes,
    that is why there was such a pause, as I am working through the day as well
    as into part of the night, in order to get your order finished. I am sorry
    if that is your issue, but that really is not any concern of yours, and its
    not any concern of our that you had a bad day with your family, and yet you
    take it out on us like a spoiled child. We are going to take this up
    through paypal and through bhw, and any other places that you are doing
    business on, as I am sure that I can find a lot out. You still owe us
    money, so I think that you are just trying to not pay anything because you
    didn't get the response that you were hoping for.

    Jason and Amanda
    New Wave Promotion
     
  7. dizz

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    No, i promised to send the emails for him. That's it. No one can promise response. And we met mjd2nd from bhw and vent (bhw as well)
     
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    Second email from him (and last)

    I will handle all correspondence through PayPal from now on. I never said I had any issue with my family. I said I couldn't be around to deal with this because your responses were few and far between. I'm friends with the owners and one of the top sellers on CU. You obviously didn't send the list because out of 500,000 emails we got 700 uniques. I mail 6k and I get that amount. The list is fresh. Your obvious absense, delays, no invoice and disrespect for your customers after they have paid you is clearly an issue here. You say that I owe you money but you didn'nt mail my list, havent given me an invoice, and your level of credibility is at issue you. I appreciate the threats but from now on we will be corresponding on Paypal and I will let them decide the proper measures.

    Seth



    First of all, our credibility is actually above his, as well, we have no dealings with CU, so that statement didnt really matter to us... We have put everything on here that we have, or rather we will. There is more coming. We want the whole story out there, plus we want them to stand up and reply to this thread. Because there is always more than one story, that is why we are putting everything that WE have up on here. Also, our reply to that email was to send the invoice, which i will post a file of screen shot of in a moment and the aim conversation with mjd2nd.
     
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    The first half of the invoice is on the file.. He couldn't wait until the next business day (today) to receive the invoice. Here is the log of the conversation that we had yesterday with mjd2nd. Please read this and tell me if you think any of his statements are suspect, or if I was out of line. Now all the proof is out here, what do you all think? We would love to hear a reply from the people we are accusing.

    Sunday, November 22, 2009 mjd2nd (2:57:44 PM):sry man i was asleep dizzteam (2:58:18 PM):no you guys ripped me off dizzteam (2:58:26 PM):i did the service dizzteam (2:58:43 PM):and you still owe me dizzteam (2:58:51 PM):this is a scam mjd2nd (2:58:59 PM):Where are the numbers? sending out that many emails and all we are seeing is 500 uniques dizzteam (2:59:08 PM):i will do everything to get my money mjd2nd (2:59:19 PM):man i am just the middle man mjd2nd (2:59:21 PM):i'll talk to him dizzteam (2:59:38 PM):i amd checking your list for how many deads are in it dizzteam (3:00:32 PM):and i never guaranteed how much youwill make based on my service. I just said this is my statistics and i did the job mjd2nd (3:00:53 PM):but were haven't even seen 1K uniques for 468K c'mon man mjd2nd (3:00:55 PM):let's be real dizzteam (3:02:34 PM):We have the proof we did it, and we are going to take it to paypal and bhw, and put it in a public forum. Just because you didnt get uniques, is not my fault. and you even said that the list is bad, and when I do the verification and find out how many emails are bad, then i will know for sure that you didnt do your job in checking the emails. dizzteam (3:02:43 PM):now you be real mjd2nd (3:03:18 PM):dude chill out, i'll talk to him, what did he say to you? i just woke up and your freaking out on my...don't post anything on bhw until i know whats the hell is going on dizzteam (3:03:41 PM):one sec and i will cut and paste. mjd2nd (3:03:45 PM):kk mjd2nd (3:04:02 PM):honestly man they were all his lists...i'm just the middle man dizzteam (3:04:50 PM):Hello,

    I purchased a block of emailing from you to send my list of over 500k out. Great I was told it would be between 4 and 8. Fine. I get an instant message saying something along the lines of ''your e-mails will be sending out in 30 minutes". This is after 8pm. 4 hours later I inquire about the mailings because I have not seen a single hit and the response I get is "oh he is thunderstorms and isn't online, i'll get back to you when I have an update". This is not how you do things. I tried to contact him a few times and didn't get a response until this morning saying all e-mails were sent out by 1am. Fast forward to today, the last time I e-mailed I sent 6000 emails out on a Thursday and 10 days later (today) I had a 100 uniques and 3 sales. You guys "sent" 500,000 emails out and I have 580 uniques.

    Here is what I think happened. Someone didn't do what they were supposed to. Someone mailed some and then took my list for their personal benefit to use elsewhere. 2 weeks ago I was sending out 10 to 15k emails a day and was geting on average 4000 uniques a day with the same ad copy. I know the whole list wasn't mailed. I've asked twice for a complete invoice of what was sent, what the total cost was and I have gotten no response.

    I've talked to my bank and I've talked to paypal. They both suggested I contact you first. If we cannot come to an agreement on a refund. I will be filing a claim with paypal for a chargeback and with my banking.

    Please let me know how you want to proceed. I feel like the communication on your side has been nothing short of horrible.

    Seth
    dizzteam (3:04:58 PM):theres the first, email... and the only one dizzteam (3:05:59 PM):I purchased goods that were supposed to be delivered with express shipment immediately. I spoke to the individual but once I made payment all I got from was delays and more bull talk. I was paying a premium for it to be expedited and all they did was feed me more excuses. I've sent e-mails and left messages without a response. I spoke with my bank about filing a chargeback for the amount in question but was told to go through these channels first. I do no apprecaite being given the round around. dizzteam (3:06:06 PM):thats what he wrote to paypal. dizzteam (3:06:17 PM):Due to a lightning storm, the expedited services that he was mentioning was put on hold. I did complete the service within a timely manner and the payment I had requested had a percentage off of it due to the large amount that the service cost. I did not give the customer a run around. I explained quite clearly the issues, but with no response. Power outages cannot be avoided. But I completed the service. There weren't any emails, of that I am certain, as no messages go to spam box on my website's server. I also responded to all messages. If the services weren't to his liking, well, there was no guarantee that there would be responses. I just did the sending, he wrote his message and had his lists, of which I can not be held responsible. This is a total rip off, and I cannot abide having done the service, but getting the money that I put into this service just taken away because the buyer didn't get the response that he was hoping for. dizzteam (3:06:21 PM):this was our response dizzteam (3:07:42 PM):we have saved every bit of our emails and recent conversations, and we are still going to bill him for the other 250 and if this isn't resolved then i am going to take it to bhw, because if you dont question who you are working with, you wont be working with anyone, because everyone will doubt what you know about the people who you are jv'ing with mjd2nd (3:09:26 PM):man i'm just the fucking messenger...like i said at the beginning he had the list and u contact him...I can get it resolved if you send him a complete invoice on what time the emails were sent etc...i'll talk to him dizzteam (3:09:56 PM):oh we are going to do that, and we will hold off until we hear from you again. mjd2nd (3:11:04 PM):when will we get it by? dizzteam (3:12:57 PM):you will be receiving it today to this evening. This escapade that we are on right now is costing me time and money gathering up proof to present my case. You or him didn't even have the decency to come up and say that we are dissatisfied what can we do to resolve this. That has never come out of either of your mouths. And you are included as you were the middleman. And you know, and i told you, that if there was a problem, i would work with you. dizzteam (3:13:23 PM):but his personal life that day was upsetting him and he decided to take it out on me as he didnt get everything like he planned. dizzteam (3:14:36 PM):I have been doing this a long time, and I dont rip people off. I do this for a living and I did this for you at a cheap rate, that noone else would have given you. And i did it as a favor to you. to help get you established. please rectify this situation, I would greatly appreciate it mjd2nd (3:16:05 PM):man i know your a good guy, he's just flippin cause of the results, I will talk to him mjd2nd (3:19:16 PM):if you honestly want to ban me and ruin my rep on bhw go for it, i'm not going to fight it i'm to busy...i'm not the one that owed you money, i'll do my best to talk to him but i know in the end whatever i do you'll still go to them mjd2nd (3:27:17 PM):are u even there? mjd2nd signed off at 3:28:54 PM mjd2nd signed on at 4:31:17 PM dizzteam (5:27:50 PM):Well, your friend has now escalated this to the point of threatening us with our affiliates, and he said that we had threatened him. He is clearly wrong and so are you for backing him up. I am sorry that it has come to this point, but I wil be delivering all evidence over to paypal, and you can deal with irresponsible jv partners. We wont be doing any business with you or your partners again due to everyones irresponsibility. We let you know what we knew when we knew it. We would have resent the list if someone had said something about it, in a proper manner. Instead, instantaneous payment blocked, and now all of the money I put into it as well is lost. mjd2nd (5:28:58 PM):so i am guessing your taking it to bhw dizzteam (5:31:45 PM):sure why not? its apparent that neither you nor him are going to pay. I am out the money, and the way this was done with no one saying a word about a problem, then retracting payment after services rendered because the numbers didnt add up to what you all thought it was going to be, not even asking for a resend or a refund. So that leads me to think that you all were trying to scam us in the first place, because you all didn't even want to pay up front anyways. And apparently you are getting hits, because now the numbers have escalated from 500 to 700 and people are opening their mails mjd2nd (5:32:32 PM):just go ahead and tell them to ban me man, i won't win...even showing the evidence you have a higher rep...so whatev...500-700 out or 486K? no way man mjd2nd (5:33:01 PM):i'll pm harro and get the banhammer...its ok man threaten me like you did, i didn't do anything wrong and u know it...i just sent him to you mjd2nd (5:34:25 PM):we were getting absolutely sick numbers with that list last week mjd2nd (5:34:37 PM):and to resend with only 500 opening it mjd2nd (5:34:45 PM):man you even have to say thats unreal dizzteam (5:35:27 PM):give me one reason, i shouldn't drag this through a court of appeals in paypal and drag you through bhw as being in cohorts with scammers and thus being labeled as a scammer. You numbers will grow everyday. Its not a threat, i was telling you what i do when people scam me. its one thing to spam, its another to scam out of real money. and when this all began, you said your partner, not some guy out of the blue, I thought that I was doing this for you, at that price. Otherwise, it would have been more expensive anyways. Oh and thank you for telling us that little bit of information... You have been saturating the list. Thats why. mjd2nd (5:36:29 PM):man i backed u up every day for the last week mjd2nd (5:36:36 PM):everyday he was saying i hope he pulls through mjd2nd (5:36:44 PM):and everday i was saying yes he will mjd2nd (5:37:19 PM):i don mjd2nd (5:37:20 PM):t mjd2nd (5:37:30 PM):even have access to the numbers man, he is my referral dizzteam (5:37:56 PM):for the last week? the service was rendered friday night. And you can't keep reusing a list over and over again for the same thing, you get diminishing returns. mjd2nd (5:38:56 PM):it was his list and I knew you were a mailer, i figured i would help him/you out...know i am getting charged with scamming, I didn't do anything wrong...i love bhw and know i will not be on it mjd2nd (5:39:22 PM):so yah great weekend... dizzteam (5:40:51 PM):And, since it was the end of a work week, the invoice wasnt supposed to be sent until monday... which is tomorrow.... Like people who work regular work weeks... mjd2nd (5:42:39 PM):either way, i am not in charge of the money...so when you send it to him, whether or not he agrees i have no say...its in his court, so if you get me banned your shooting the messanger mjd2nd (5:42:48 PM):sorry it came to that mjd2nd (5:43:01 PM):i have no access to anything, its all upto him dizzteam (5:46:57 PM):And we didnt get that reputation that we have by screwing people or not doing what we said we were going to do. That's how you build your reputation.... By being honest. And you have implied that I have not been. Or actually you have said it straight out. SO yes, im a little upset. But I also believe that if you and your partner wantto do business like this, other people might want to know that this is what is going to happen. mjd2nd (5:49:23 PM):I won't be jv'ing anymore, didn't know what i got into mjd2nd (5:49:52 PM):i just sent him, now my im career is over dizzteam (5:50:44 PM):So why dont you share with us, who he is on bhw, and we will give you equal chance to tell your story, that is why i warned you ahead of time that this was coming. mjd2nd (5:51:32 PM):nah i just sent a message to a mod, telling him to ban me and delete my account, i'll lose either way mjd2nd (5:52:03 PM):i have no access to the money, i guess paypal will decide mjd2nd (5:54:18 PM):please don't contact me anymore its all in his court, i don't know anything more mjd2nd (5:54:57 PM):i was just the mesanger dizzteam (5:55:35 PM):Ok. We asked you to be honest about who you were doing business with, but you are protective about that, so what does this make you look like? mjd2nd (5:57:54 PM):You know who it is, paypal knows and they will figure it out with you mjd2nd (5:58:29 PM):i am sick of you trying to intimidate me by threatening me, in the end paypal will be the decision maker between YOU AND HIM... mjd2nd (5:58:43 PM):i have nothing else to say dizzteam (6:01:19 PM):And my last statement to you is that I am not intimidating or threatening you, I was letting you know what I was going to do, ahead of time, like adults. So yes, good bye and I dont have anything more to say to you. Reason doesn't work with you or him.
     

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    all I am going to say is, to see 700 uniques out of 486,000 emails sent. That is merely .001% ctr...this mean that people didn't even accidentally click the link.

    Look at it from our point of view, that is probably the worst ctr and we have been using the same message for the past month with great success.

    I figure they are gonna ban me anyway, so you win dizz...

    I figured you would copy and paste the aim convo's...also it was nice of you to threaten to get me banned...and i quote "i am going to bring this to bhw and i can get you banned easily"...so nice man threat me
     
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    WHy do people get into business and JVs with people they don't even know just through chat? You are bound to get scammed eventually.

    My advice is to use a true freelancer service with dispute resolution, or set up the project so you have escrow payments. For those of you who don't know what escrow is, its progress payments for small chunks of work at a time, so you don't get scammed.
     
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    thanks for responding that is a great thing to stand up for yourself...i respect that..now to what you said..you used the same message for the last month what you fogot to say was you have been using the same e mail list. Of course your ctr would be terrible. Now is he your partner or not? You keep contradicting yourself maybe you should have read you own statement before writing this. When i said that statement i meant i was going to let the people know who they are dealing with and i hope they ban you because you scammed Amanda and I, now the truth is out there for the mods to decide. When i wrote you i was pissed and still am. And of course I am hot-headed, when someone steals from me, and I say things rather harshly and hurriedly. Where we are from, people don't steal from each other. And on here, all you have is your word. And so I keep my word, I don't screw people over, not over money. And the problem we had, was out of everyone's hands, and it still got done within 8 hours. Just because it interrupted a schedule, is no cause for accusing that it didn't get done. And I do know now that your partner on here was banned, thats why you had to contact us, because he couldn't. But after your statement that "we have been using the same message for the past month" leads me to believe, you weren't used in this situation, as you so tried to play yourself as. As well as if you or him had even asked for a resend, we would have been more than accommodating about resending them. But strangely, that subject never came up. And there was only 5 hours between him stating that he was upset until the paypal dispute. And we dont work weekends that much on the computer, as i have previously stated.


     
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    it was only used once...

    Being an engineering major, I am very good at crunching numbers. Let's be real, the probability of only .001% of people opening up the message and clicking the link are so astronomically large that a normal person would would feel that, being such a low CTR must imply that either
    1. You did not send out all the email
    2.Your service was absolutely horrible and didn't hit a single inbox

    Either way, I beg you to look at the numbers, they do not lie. I could see having 5K uniques and then you have a point. But 700?
     
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    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Your TOTAL SPAM SCORE for your e-mail was [SIZE=+1]2.1

    Which isn't so bad, but still, its enough to catch some spam filters, added on the fact that you have a link in your email. And also pictures. So it wasn't that spammy.

    And once again, you accuse me of being a scammer, when you can't even decide if you were his partner or not. So you have lost all credibility as far as im concerned in your truth telling.

    As for your degree... How long have you had this such degree? Because apparently you haven't been doing your math (he he he) because the actual percentage of which you received as far as the statements that you and he have both made would make the CTR at about .0014. Also, you haven't made any statement about the number increasing day to day. Or how many sales you have made, but that of course can be checked and really, wasn't promised. You already said that the list, was being used before, not just once, but a few times. DUH! If you have been in college, haven't you ever heard of the law of diminishing returns?

    Also, if you want to compare your going to college now for "engineering", my degree in sound engineering, with minors in math and chemistry, somehow falls below your education level? And then Amanda also goes to college, for business administration, as well as minoring in computer technology and wildlife biology/zoology. So your claim is that not only are we scammers, but we are also stupid? You couldn't even do the correct math in doing the percentages of which you are accusing us of. If the messages went to spam box, which I am totally aware that some of them went, you cant inbox 100%, and we never promised. We didn't write the ad for you, we didn't set up the landing page. We did what we were contracted to do, and it didn't turn out well for your sales, and I warned you before you mailed, that only do it if you can make the $750 back that you invested. After you both thought of that, that is when you contacted me back. Your list or delivery message sucked, but that is not our problem. Maybe it was the list that was bad. But I hear you blaming everyone but YOURSELVES about the message not working on your attempted customers. We did what we said we were going to do. If we didn't, well there wouldn't be any returns now would there? So either way, people got it in the inbox, didn't like what it had said, or just weren't interested because more and more people arent liking the whole put your cc number in somewhere. But that is not our business. We will, with your permission, post what you sent us to send, because that is your evidence to use against us. Also, with any mailings, if you wanted to verify the inbox rate, why didn't you even put in a few emails of your own? Or we could have even loaned you a few if you had asked, because even we put our own emails in the ones we send to check that they are going to the inboxes.

    I have respect that you are standing up for yourself, but please don't call me a liar once again. I sent the messages, that's all there is to it. Your displeased with the performance of it, and that I can understand. You never even asked us to resend it. Which was an option.
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    Interesting . . . I got a strange PM from "mjd2nd" last night and here is what he said:

    "hey can you please ban me...i no longer want my account.
    if you want i can share something on the dns list...lol "


    Needless to say, I reported it to the Admins.
     
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    That statement says it all for me to be honest.

    Frank Media Group are clearly implying that they have purchased tangible goods and hope to win the dispute on the basis that the seller has no proof of posting/delivery.

    We all know that PayPal is not interested in non-tangible goods and services and that misleading statement from Frank Media is wholly fraudulent.

    Best of luck to Dizzspaceteam with this one. ;)
     
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    Thanks a lot for the support, topsytips, and then the bombshell that wiz dropped that we didn't even realize... He would really do it, makes him seem more guilty to me... We are totally stunned that he asked.... Why would you ask to be banned, when you can disable your account? Or delete it.... Or were innocent of what I am making accusations of?
     
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    UPDATE: As of raising this to be a claim, and stating our case, AKA stating that it was a service rendered online, THEY DROPPED THE CASE. I got the money, maybe not the other $250, but at least I got the money lost. YAY!

    And to quote paypal,
    Ha ha BABY, im in the black!
     
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    thanks alot just look out for them they keep coming back.
     
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    he was jv,ed with mjd2nd....he also used another member on here and screwed a few other people on here some times people hide behind other people to scam them.