xtopzi
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mighil had a threat (now deleted I think) where he was looking for a CL poster. I replied over PM and stated my price and services. We discussed the ad on Skype.
Here's the entire Skype log:
So to wrap it up: I clearly stated that the price per live ad is $5, which I reinforced on Skype like this:
He refuses to pay however and says it was just a test. It was indeed a test ... a small volume to start with to see if they would stick, however my rate is still $5 per live post as stated both on Skype and on BHW PM. Maybe it's just a misunderstanding although you can't expect a freelancer to work for free to see if a client likes him. Delivered as promised, rates unchanged so I'd like to get paid for the work delivered.
Here's the entire Skype log:
[5/26/2014 2:31:35 PM] Travis: craigslist[5/26/2014 2:31:37 PM] *** Koen heeft contactdetails gedeeld met Travis. ***
[5/26/2014 2:35:19 PM] Koen: Hey buddy, thanks for adding. Looking forward to hearing a bit more about your campaign, how frequiently you'd need posts made, email or clickable link and whatnot.
[5/26/2014 2:35:41 PM] Travis: Its an affiliate link
[5/26/2014 2:36:03 PM] Travis: basically, I want these to be posted on job listings all over US, UK, and Australia.
[5/26/2014 2:36:26 PM] Koen: What's the niche?
[5/26/2014 2:36:30 PM] Travis: business
[5/26/2014 2:36:39 PM] Travis: its stocks and forex thing
[5/26/2014 2:37:03 PM] Travis: so I want it to look like Im hiring stock brokers an forex people. But also open to unexperienced and people who need money
[5/26/2014 2:38:43 PM] Koen:
Right ok, makes perfect sense. Affiliate marketing is officially against CL rules but with the right ad should be fine. I would have to cross test in small batches to get the perfect ad copy that sticks nicely before getting a higher volume (depending on what volume you'd like to see though).
[5/26/2014 2:39:31 PM] Travis: could you test it out first.
[5/26/2014 2:40:20 PM] Travis: This is the affiliate link: [removed for shitlist here]
Their guide: [removed for shitlist here]
[5/26/2014 2:44:27 PM] Travis: report back to me and see what happens
[5/26/2014 2:44:36 PM] Travis: so we can start doing business
[5/26/2014 2:50:44 PM] Koen: Do you have your own CL ad copy or you want me to write one?
[5/26/2014 2:50:56 PM] Travis: I can provide you with one
[5/26/2014 2:53:35 PM] Koen: Yup, not a problem. If you can provide me with an ad I'll get a couple of ads posted as a test and see what sticks. They're $5 per sticking ad. The campaign might have to be tweaked a bit later on to ensure the highest sticking rate but I'm positive we can work on something we're both happy with.
[5/26/2014 2:54:14 PM] Travis: Title:
[removed for shitlist here]
[5/26/2014 2:54:22 PM] Travis: try that first
[5/26/2014 2:54:35 PM] Travis: then lets see what we can come up with
[5/26/2014 2:55:02 PM] Koen: Yup will do
[5/26/2014 2:55:19 PM] Travis: UK. US, and Australia okay?
[5/26/2014 2:55:52 PM] Koen: No problem
[5/26/2014 2:56:03 PM] Travis: okay inform me when its good, thanks
[5/26/2014 3:05:20 PM] Koen: which sub-section of Jobs you want it in?
[5/26/2014 3:05:46 PM] Travis: No particular, hmmm what do you think?
[5/26/2014 3:06:32 PM] Koen: Sales / biz dev should be fine
[5/26/2014 3:07:00 PM] Travis: no try finance jobs
[5/26/2014 3:08:06 PM] Koen: Hmm I wonder if it'll do well there but can try
[5/26/2014 3:08:28 PM] Travis: hmmm you go for what you think would do best
[5/26/2014 3:08:50 PM] Travis: I can see the traffic anyway, so if its good ROI, then thats the spot
[5/26/2014 3:09:43 PM] Koen: Yeah of course but I think your ad would require quite some tweaking, perhaps even use an autoresponder instead of a link to make the process look most legit and limit flagging but will see
[5/26/2014 3:10:02 PM] Travis: okay
[5/26/2014 3:13:42 PM] Koen: Forwarded the ad, will update you soon
[5/26/2014 3:13:50 PM] Travis: ok
[5/27/2014 1:10:48 AM] Travis: Hi, how's the ad going? I haven't seen any improvement on my stats, no visits
[5/27/2014 9:43:40 AM] Koen: 2 have been posted for far and stuck
[5/27/2014 9:43:40 AM] Koen: [removed for shitlist here]
[5/27/2014 9:43:40 AM] Koen: still working on AUS and UK as I think they got flagged so will have to repost
[7:19:04 AM] Koen: [removed for shitlist here]
[7:19:09 AM] Koen: another one
[11:56:49 AM] Koen: Did you get my messages? 3 ads live so far
[11:57:12 AM] Travis: Still no visits on my site.
[11:57:19 AM] Koen: Shouldn't be too difficult to scale up the volume although like I said, might require a little tweaking
[11:57:36 AM] Koen: We could tweak it a little later
[11:58:16 AM] Koen: Could you please send the payment for the 3 live ads and we can discuss further progress later
[11:58:25 AM] Koen: My paypal is [removed for shitlist here]
[11:58:26 AM] Koen: cheers
[11:59:10 AM] Travis: we didn't discuss anything about the price bro, I thought you just field tested those 3.
[11:59:18 AM] Travis: we didn't agree on a deal yet
[11:59:29 AM] Koen: It's $5 per post as I stated earlier
[11:59:46 AM] Travis: yea, but we didn't agree on a deal, since you said and I sad to test it out first
[12:00:32 PM] Koen: Well yes but it's still $5 per post ofcourse. Bulk discounts may apply once you know what volume you want
[12:00:43 PM] Travis: but lets see if how those 3 goes, and if I like what happens in the next few days, ill pay for it, and continue your services
[12:01:12 PM] Travis: You didn't inform me that those tests were paid, thats why its called a test
[12:01:27 PM] Koen: To see if they stick
[12:01:35 PM] Koen: and they did, like I said its $5 per post
[12:01:38 PM] Koen: per sticking post
[12:02:11 PM] Koen: I invest into my CL poster, you can't expect a freelancer to work for free and 'see how it goes' that's a bit odd
[12:02:51 PM] Koen: not for free, making a loss actually
[12:03:09 PM] Travis: Well I was not informed, if you're uncomfortable, you can bring those down, it didn't make any difference in my site anyway
[12:03:19 PM] Koen: No
[12:03:20 PM] Koen: I
[12:03:41 PM] Koen: I'd like to get compensated at the rate you agreed on and were informed about which is $5 per live pos
[12:03:42 PM] Koen: post
[12:03:54 PM] Koen: Those ads are live and done
[12:04:07 PM] Travis: We didn't close any deal yet, you can scan through the chat history. No deal was closed, because we said to test it out first
[12:04:21 PM] Koen: To see if they stick
[12:04:32 PM] Koen: and it's $5 per sticking ad like I said on BHw in the pm
[12:05:01 PM] Travis: yes, but again, no deal was closed. This is a classic misunderstanding, gosh.
[12:05:13 PM] Koen: Work delived
[12:05:16 PM] Koen: As promised
[12:05:21 PM] Koen: $5 per post
[12:05:23 PM] Koen: ad discussed
[12:05:35 PM] Koen: Why would I work for free to see if POSSIBLY you would like more?
[12:06:33 PM] Travis: NO DEAL WAS CLOSED. As I said, I was informed that it was a field test. And testing something out doesnt count as work done.
[12:06:52 PM] Koen: To test if your particular ad copy would stic
[12:06:53 PM] Travis: Dude, just put the ads down, I don
[12:06:59 PM] Travis: i dont like people getting money from me
[12:06:59 PM] Koen: and they did so work has been delivered
[12:07:08 PM] Travis: and misunderstanding negotiations
[12:07:21 PM] Koen: So you hire a freelancer but dont want to pay?
[12:07:29 PM] Travis: No, the test has succeeded, the "work" has not yet started
[12:07:43 PM] Travis: I didn't hire you yet, NO DEAL WAS CLOSED for christ sake
[12:08:09 PM] Koen: I worked ... 3 ads are posted ... you know the rate ... ads stick ... ads are exactly what you sent me
[12:08:27 PM] Koen: I never said the samples were free
[12:08:33 PM] Koen: I didnt even say sample
[12:08:36 PM] Travis: We're still on testing phase. If it was a work, I would require you to post on all within a week or so.
[12:08:40 PM] Koen: I said let's try 3 ads to begin with
[12:08:40 PM] Travis: Thats why we started on small amounts
[12:08:53 PM] Travis: yea, the word "TRY
[12:09:02 PM] Koen: Yes, I always start on a small ammount to see if the particular ad can stick or not
[12:09:04 PM] Koen: they did
[12:09:06 PM] Koen: work is done
[12:09:06 PM] Travis: you never said samples were paid either
[12:09:19 PM] Koen: It's $5 per post ... why would these be free?
[12:09:26 PM] Koen: That's your, quite odd, assumption
[12:09:30 PM] Travis: Its $5 per post when deal is closed
[12:09:37 PM] Koen: which doesnt make sense in my eyes .. i invested money and time into them ofc
[12:09:37 PM] Travis: we didnt close any deal didnt we?
[12:09:50 PM] Koen: Who said it's only $5 per post after we close some deal?
[12:09:54 PM] Koen: It's $5 per post
[12:09:57 PM] Koen: no mater what
[12:11:32 PM] Travis: I'm totally surprised dude, I aint paying that $15, we agreed that were testing it out first. No parameters was discussed, no budget was discussed, and no target deadline was discussed. Because were still testing, that's why its such a very little amount of post. If the deal was closed, I'd order 100+ per week
[12:13:58 PM] Koen: That volume is fine with me and all services can be provided for that as well. Nonetheless, work has been delivered, time has been invested, salary to my poster has been paid. Freelance work delivered as promised means the freelancer gets compensated as discussed. My rate is $5 per post. 3 posts were placed so the total compensation for those three is $15. Kindly send me the payment through Paypal. Further postings can be discussed later, including a higher volume and possible tweaking.
[12:15:01 PM] Travis: as I said, I aint paying $15 for a test ad. It's a sample. Nothing was discussed about a Paid sample.
[12:16:57 PM] Koen: What do you understand about sample?
[12:17:10 PM] Travis: sample is like showing what you can do
[12:17:10 PM] Koen: It's the time and money invested .. work is done
[12:17:19 PM] Koen: I never said I'd do that
[12:17:21 PM] Travis: it's like your resume/portfolio
[12:17:27 PM] Koen: never said I'd do anything unpaid at all
[12:17:30 PM] Koen: No it's not
[12:17:37 PM] Koen: It's not like I showed you an old ad of mine
[12:17:39 PM] Travis: And never discussed anything paid either
[12:17:40 PM] Koen: I posed yours
[12:17:53 PM] Koen: It's $5 per ad as stated on BHW
[12:18:41 PM] Travis: dude, lets just make this simple. I am not paying for the $15 test sample, So you have 2 choices.
1. Take down the ad
2. Wait for a few days and let me see if I see any improvements, then I'll contact you for a bulk work.
[12:21:14 PM] Koen: Taking down the ad doesn't reverse time and take away my time and money invested, don't you understand that? I would like to get compensated for my efforts and receive the compensation as I clearly stated the price is $5 per live ad. Otherwise I'd have to open a shitlist thread on BHW which would be quite unfortunate. I don't understand why someone who wants to invest all that into 100 ads a week ($500) has such great difficulty paying for 3 live ads that I posted for us to see if they'd stick before moving up to a higher volume.
[12:21:50 PM] Travis: because those were test samples
[12:22:19 PM] Travis: you can post on the shitlist, so we can have the mods take a look at it
[12:22:25 PM] Koen: [Monday, May 26, 2014 2:53 PM] Koen:
<<< Yup, not a problem. If you can provide me with an ad I'll get a couple of ads posted as a test and see what sticks. They're $5 per sticking ad. The campaign might have to be tweaked a bit later on to ensure the highest sticking rate but I'm positive we can work on something we're both happy with.
[12:22:32 PM] Koen: Couple of ads
[12:22:36 PM] Koen: to see what sticks
[12:22:40 PM] Koen: $5 per sticking ad
[12:22:44 PM] Koen: 3 have stuck so far
[12:22:45 PM] Koen: $15
[12:23:52 PM] Travis: dude, I told you, I am not paying for a test sample. You can post on the shitlist all you want, no deal was closed, no deadline, no parameters, no amount was discussed.
[12:24:16 PM] Koen: Ye will open a thread later when I got time
[12:26:15 PM] Travis: ok
So to wrap it up: I clearly stated that the price per live ad is $5, which I reinforced on Skype like this:
He refuses to pay however and says it was just a test. It was indeed a test ... a small volume to start with to see if they would stick, however my rate is still $5 per live post as stated both on Skype and on BHW PM. Maybe it's just a misunderstanding although you can't expect a freelancer to work for free to see if a client likes him. Delivered as promised, rates unchanged so I'd like to get paid for the work delivered.
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