["METHOD"] Buying from the BHW Marketplace

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  1. Toz

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    I'd like to preface this "method", by stating that I've literally spent thousands of dollars on BHW services.
    By no means, do I know it all, but I have learned quite a bit from my experiences with dozens of sellers in the BHW Marketplace. I would like to share that knowledge and experience with each of you.

    Before I go on, please feel free to chime in, if you've got anything to add. I'll try my best to not call out anyone, specifically, but as you begin learn the patterns that I look for, you may be more readily able to identify situations that set off alarm bells in my brain. These "alarm bells" are my instincts that encourage me to either shy away from a service provider, proceed with caution, use the service on a test site, and/or embrace the service provider's product(s).

    The first piece of advice I'd like to offer, is to not ignore your instinct. If something tells you to run away, run away! If you learn nothing else from this thread, I sincerely hope that THAT could be your takeaway.

    Oh, and a disclaimer...

    There are really only 5 sections within the Marketplace that I feel I have acquired a bit of an aptitude for. While I have utilized most of the other sections, these 5 have received most of my attention.

    Those are:

    Content / Copywriting

    SEO - Link building
    SEO - Other
    SEO - Packages
    Web Design

    Okay, so let's get down to business...


    Let's begin with content.
    I don't know any native English speakers that try to convince people that they are native English speakers. I mean, you either are or you aren't. It's just that simple. I cannot tell you how many "native English speakers" have provided me with absolute crap, over the years. I've learned my lesson. If you tell me you're a native English speaker, that's about as far as our relationship will extend, with regards to you selling me your "contents".

    If you didn't catch what I just did, then allow me to repeat myself...

    Anyone offering to sell you "contents", is not a native English speaker. Again, it's just that simple. I can go on and on about these things, but here's the #1 way that I've found, that allows me to purchase great quality content, from BHW:

    READ THE REVIEWS, CAREFULLY!

    With regards to buying content, it's perhaps the only time where I'd say to pay MORE ATTENTION to the positive reviews than the negative reviews. Here's what I mean:

    Pay attention to these positive reviews:

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    this is great service !  good english contents !!
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    This guy has best writing service in BHW!
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    I really like how good this writer makes this article read so perfectly and everyone should use him for their money site content because it is the best and no mistakes!  highly recommended!
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    no mistakes in article and i enjoyed reading the contents
    Pay attention to these positive reviews:
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    I thoroughly enjoyed how this writer has obviously taken the necessary time to illustrate the message being conveyed, through his words.
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    The seller delivered a powerful article that I really enjoyed reading.  Also, I noticed there were no grammatical errors.
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    Honestly, the article quality was on par with what I'd write!
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    For the first time, I'm quite impressed with the content I've purchased from BHW!
    I won't visit the nuances between the two sets of review quality, as they speak for themselves. THAT is what I look for, as I comb through the reviews.

    Last, but certainly not least, pay attention to the actual sales thread! I've lost count of how many content sellers have typos in their OP! This is INSANE. Like, really!? I'm supposed to buy content from YOU!?

    I know, I know... We can make the argument that the actual person selling the service, may not be the same person that made the GFX, and I understand. That being said, didn't you pay money for those graphics to be created? Did you not pay attention? This sales thread graphic is supposed to represent your business, and coincidentally enough, you're in the business of selling content. You should have noticed that.

    The reason I put this last, is so that you don't get all caught up in the beauty of the sales thread, and instead, focus your time on what matters most, which are the items listed above.


    Next, I'm going to lump all 3 of the SEO sections, together.

    All the things mentioned above, with regards to the content quality, loosely apply here. Reason being, is because you're buying a different type of service, BUT, when someone is building links to your site, it's a good idea to know about how they function within the boundaries of the English language. Don't you agree? Now, if you're building links to a Tier 1 property or to some distant page on your money site that's got super easy competition, then it may not matter as much. For everything else, PAY ATTENTION.

    One thing that really gets me, with regards to dealing with SEO service providers, is how they handle their customer service. Generally, after placing an order, you may hear from me a couple times during the purchase process, and maybe again, a day or two later (provided I'm still thinking about it and wish to offer some more input). Aside from that, I'm gone until we start arriving at deadlines and I've heard nothing from you, or we've passed a deadline and I've heard nothing from you. Some other special instances may arise, but mostly, I'm busy doing my own thing, just as I'd imagine you are.

    Some service providers will offer great customer service UNTIL you pay them. And then, things become spotty. This is more of an after-the-fact scenario, but I feel it's worth mentioning, so be mindful of that.

    Now, back to customer service...

    I believe this applies to prospects, as well. I don't believe that you "need" to speak with someone, prior to purchasing their service, but I also feel that you can tell a lot from an SEO service provider, by observing how they treat their prospects. For example, I lose a bit of respect for the service providers that insist on sending PMs. Let me explain...

    There's a prospect named, @JIGGLETOES.
    And then there's me.

    This is what I see:
    @JIGGLETOES: Hello, what is the OBL for your homepage posts? I didn't see it mentioned in the sales thread.
    @SEOSERVICESELLER: PM sent!

    Me, as an unknown prospect, is sitting here like WTF is so secretive that he needs to hide this information from everyone else? Screw it. I'll look at someone else's thread.

    This is a deliberate attempt at having his service bumped, as there's a 100% chance that someone else is going to have this same exact question. This is a very shady tactic. I don't like to work with shady people. I want transparency.

    Also, watch for other thread bumping tactics, such as Newbie accounts that only serve the purpose of either praising the OP's services, or announcing that they've purchased, yet again. Some fake accounts are harder to spot than others, but they all serve the same purpose, which is to bump a thread.

    If a service is good, it will naturally gain attention and notoriety by being a worthwhile service. It will be bumped without force.

    Lastly, let's tackle the Web Design area of BHW...

    Of course all the previous stuff applies here, as well, but we can also add a few additional items.

    The main thing that I take note of when examining a sample received from a webdesign seller, is how the website actually looks. One thing you need to do, is put yourself in the mind of a person interested in the niche, related to what the seller has provided you as a sample. Do you take the time to read the content? Why not? Imagine yourself as someone that has stumbled upon this particular website by way of a Google search, or by clicking a social media link, or whatever. If you were to come across this website, would you stay? Would you read the content of it? Would you make a purchase? Pay attention to the layout of the site. Take out your mobile phone and type in the web address. Is it responsive?

    This section is definitely another one that I'd suggest to pay close attention to the negative reviews. However, there's another type of review to look out for. Often times, you'll see these sellers that provide a webdesign service that promises the world, but you'll notice that as you read through the reviews, you don't see anyone reviewing the service with any income earnings. Why is that? Sure, you'll see a bunch of people talking about how "great" the website looks, but if you've requested a sample, then you should already know how great the website looks. Those reviews are meaningless. Let's remember why we're here. We're here to make money.

    Again, I've spent thousands of dollars inside the BHW Marketplace, and honestly believe there's no other place quite like it! It's an amazing place, filled with many things that can line your pockets. However, you must do your due-diligence! Take note of the things I mentioned here, and hopefully others will chime in with their input, so that we can cultivate somewhat of a more informed buying community. I wish you all the utmost success and let's get ready for 2018!

    Peace.
     
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  2. virtualpurity

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    Great post, its getting harder and harder to distinguish between whats bullshit and whats not on the marketplace with all these new sellers (re-sellers) coming out every day and all those shady bump post tactics ( Ebay seller example )..

    And you are on point for the reviews, if you can separate the fakes from the real ones than you will know that you are in the right sales thread to make a purchase..
     
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    Nice share here! Like you said I believe that BHW Marketplace is full of treasures and scammers..it's only own diligence!

    Hey Op..what is the services that you have bought more often on BHW?
     
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  4. Toz

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    This is a good question. Have you ever heard about the difference between giving someone a fish, versus teaching someone to fish?
    If I give you a fish, it'd feed you for now, but if I teach you to fish, it'd feed you for a lifetime. That's the purpose of this thread. I'm teaching you to fish, by looking at the things that I look for, prior to making a purchase. I believe that the BHW Marketplace is filled with both people that know what they're doing and people that are in over their heads. All of whom, are looking to earn a living. My mission isn't to place one provider over the next, but rather, it is to inform people of the various ways in which they can seek out quality service providers.
     
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    Thanks for sharing your experience, I am quite unsatisfied with the service of some of the content writers too. As I do my own SEO, so I never needed to depend on others for this. SEO is such a practice where the provider should have updated knowledge as well as understanding that what he can do or not.
     
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    Also I recommend you look through the BSTs to make sure they aren’t making way off claims. I saw a BST that said “content written by industry expert” and when I asked if I had a niche of heaters, will it be written by experts in the heater industry and all I got was “I don’t want you as a customer, mod please delete this comment as I don’t want it hurting my reputation or sales”

    Be careful out here.
     
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    Very useful experience share regard marketplace, thanks for type! ( This short word made me like another fake reviewer lol)
     
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  8. Sherb

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    Great thread. Now to the meat. What are the top five services you've bought in the past year?
     
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    You raise a valid point, with regards to the providers having updated knowledge and performance. Sometimes Marketplace providers like to post reviews of their service from years ago, or they will simply hide/exclude the dates of the reviews, so prospects have no idea about when the review was even valid. Everyone should also be mindful of this tactic, as with the relatively frequent search engine updates, such reviews could be very misleading and/or damaging.

    TL;DR: Be very mindful of dates of the reviews, and if a service provider hides the review dates (or displays very old review dates), I urge you to proceed with caution.

    Another thing to watch out for, are the providers that constantly post the same reviews, practically each time they post. It's almost as if they're screaming for attention. Because they're holding on so tightly to these reviews (which often consist of some very old reviews), it should speak volumes for how well their service must be performing. Wouldn't you think they'd have NEW reviews to boast about?
     
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    I'm partial to the reviews on these massive threads where everyone has SERP tracking screenshots, and 30% of these screenshots fall into one of the following two categories:
    • Link went from spot 55 to spot 53!, or
    • Link actually dropped in rankings...
    Some very quick examples from one thread in particular, Sherlock Fucks Google With Iron Man and Blind Bitch From Matrix Volume 147 With More Cheese SEO Superstar Drag Racing Vroom I think it's called:

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    Makes you wonder what the screenshots that didn't make the cut look like.
     
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    Well, another method is to see what the OP has bought before and buy from the same seller :)
     
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    I keep getting asked about this. As we move towards the end of this year, I will post a write-up that details the top services I purchased in 2017. I just don't want that to become the premise of this thread. This thread is tailored towards helping people perform their own due-diligence.
     
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    Hey!

    Read your analysis.

    Some good points there.

    I also have a BST on the marketplace. Do you have a couple minutes to critique it?

    I could offer some Facebook advertising advice in return :)

    Let me know
     
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    Seriously that title actually made me lol on what's otherwise being a shite day. Thanks for that :)

    I think one of the issues with the threads though is the language barrier involved. As @Tosmekop has pointed out, there are more than a few BSTs out there that have the worst spelling I've seen on the internet. My spelling and grammar isn't always on point, but I'm not selling a service based on this. Why would anyone want to buy from a service that can't even proofread their pitch?
     
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    Guys, I really do appreciate the fact that you're considering me a viable critic of offered services. I honestly do appreciate that. It means a lot. I do, however, want to take this time to briefly reiterate the purpose of this thread. It's not a thread to shame or praise or promote any specific service providers or any specific services. Rather, it's to provide insight so that you would be able to more easily separate the likely good from the likely bad. So again, thank you for your consideration, but this very particular platform is only for generic informational purposes. It's not for promotion or defamation of specific services.
     
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    Lol I was waiting for the spoon-feed and/or "come rate my sales thread" requests to start showing, and as I scrolled down I was not disappointed. I'm sure more will pop up soon.

    Anywho, excellent post OP. Teaching people how to do their own due diligence is invaluable.
     
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    My top tip is to see who is reviewing the service and whether they have any credentials on the forum.

    A positive review from a new JrVIP that I've not seen around before carries no weight in my eyes. A review of a PBN service from someone who knows what one should look like is far more reassuring.

    Read carefully though - a review that only covers half the service may be disguising what isn't written about. If your buying a link building service, its all very well saying how good the sites are, but what is the content like? You can have positive reviews of the positives, and nothing said about the negatives.
     
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    Classic thread. Way to go OP. Made me chuckle, but the points raised are serious ones.
     
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