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Market Samurai Wildly inaccurate these days...

Discussion in 'Link Building' started by designsonline, Apr 20, 2010.

  1. designsonline

    designsonline Power Member

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    Has anyone else noticed that Market Samurai is often wildly inaccurate these days. I was wondering if it might be due to Google serving different results for different regions?

    In that case they would need to have a drop down menu for you to select which part of the country you wish to see the results for.

    Are you having the same problem with this?
     
  2. BrentH

    BrentH Newbie

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    You're right, Google is trying to further localize search queries - but also keep in mind that Google's personalizing ALL of your search queries now.

    So your site might be appearing higher in "your own personalized version of Google" because you've clicked on it before.

    What Market Samurai is doing (and has always done) is it's trying to get the most average, indicative look at the search engine results for your keyword/language/region.

    So it's turning Personal Web Search off, and feeding in query parameters that tell Google to localize your results to the country selected.

    In essence, it's doing everything it can to ignore the personalization etc that Google is trying to force upon you, and showing what the average user from your selected region/language will see when they search for your keyword.

    If you want to see exactly what it's doing, there are links or buttons to click throughout the app that will take you to the raw data source.

    If things still look fuzzy after doing this, get in touch with us via support. If we can spot a problem, we're always up for finding ways to improve the app. :)

    This update was mainly targeted at some bugs in other modules - it won't have affected Rank Tracker or SEO Competition.
     
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  3. designsonline

    designsonline Power Member

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    Thanks for the reply, however I dont log in to google when I view results, I simply visit Google.co.uk or Google.com and perform whatever search I require.
    I also regularly clean my cookies and cache etc...

    I have even have web history switched off in my Google account, so that if I do ever log in on a rare occasion to submit a new feed or sitemap or something, it doesnt gather any data on which websites I visit. (Not that I ever do any browsing when logged in anyway, I just upload the feed and log out again...)

    Back before Google was providing different results to different regions, the Market Samurai approach to getting an average would have been roughly accurate.

    However now that Google are showing different results to different regions, my complaint still stands, in that by trying to show an average of all the different results, you actually show none accurately. This means that the tool is then reduced to nothing more useful than giving a rough idea on a trend upwards in the SERPs or a trend downward, and not an accurate daily report on your specific position for a specific keyword and URL in the SERPs, which is what I personally bought this tool for.

    If you were to incorporate a drop down menu and allow people to select different regions, then it will become very usful again. Of course you would need a lot more specific proxies for this, but you could do it.
     
  4. djprog

    djprog Registered Member

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    I totally agree !

    I emailed MS support because since a few weeks now the rank tracker is going nuts (telling i'm ranking 7-8 wherease most of the time i'm rank 3-4).

    But as i'm not using english/english they said MS didn't properly support the language (which is a very bad answer as it worked perfectly until now).

    I'm a paid user so i'm not really pleased with such answer...

    :eviltongu

    + I'm also getting bad numbers of search/month in exact search (most of the time i get ZERO daily search in MS whereas I get some daily search from g00gle keyword tool...)
     
  5. BrentH

    BrentH Newbie

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    This still isn't enough these days :(

    Personal Web Search still gets through...

    The only way to turn it off is to add &pws=0 to the queries.

    Ouch.

    We have thousands proxies in our network that allow us to provide the level of information that we currently do.

    To provide the same sort of data in every localized region...

    Let's take the UK for example.

    If Google is showing slightly different results to people in London to people in Manchester, then we'd need thousands of proxies in both of those locations...

    Multiply that by 86 counties in Britain, and thousands more counties, regions, cities, municipalities and states all over the world and we're looking at a proxy network that would potentially require us to provide hundreds-of-millions of proxy IPs.

    We just can't do it.

    If we could, it would certainly mean an end to Market Samurai being a $97 product.

    We'll continue to do everything we can do to target results as accurately as we can to a specific region - but there's a limit to what we can reasonably do.

    If you're wanting to target results back to your local computer, perhaps the best option is to turn proxies off inside Market Samurai. It will mean you won't be able to get as much data as quickly, and you will probably get temporarily banned from searching Google as an end user, but it might be a solution that gives you what you're after.

    @djprog - send me a private message with your ticket number re: the english/english query. I'd like to find out more about this. It sounds like there are wires crossed somewhere.

    But they could be right - you're no longer ranking in the same position for "English/England" as "English/All Countries and Territories" - and just because the rankings used to be the same doesn't mean Google's algorithm hasn't changed.

    This doesn't sound right...

    Market Samurai is going straight to the Google Keyword tool as a raw source for keyword data, taking the monthly figure and turning it into a daily figure.

    If you're looking at a keyword that has 5 searches per month, and Market Samurai says it has 0 searches (on average) per day, then it makes sense.
     
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  6. djprog

    djprog Registered Member

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    You didn't get exactly what I said, I said it didn't work as expected for NOT english/english projects. i.e. not exactly working for german/germany, french/france as an example


    Yes but maybe it's showing zero when the monthly searches/30=>daily figure is below 10... or maybe it's related to the localization settings.

    Anyway it's a great tool but I now know that I should not take the figure returned as granted...
     
  7. BrentH

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    Sorry :(

    My comment still stands though, and still happy to look into it to find out what's going on.
     
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    Seems to work fine for me ... so far, could just be what Brent said...
     
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    Brent,

    Your commitment to support impresses me. Even apologetic when you shouldn't have to be. Anyways just wanted to say that i'm a fan of MS and it still serves me well. Not getting errors as described above, and i do alot of SEO research.
     
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    chockomonkey Regular Member

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    Yea it is really impressive to find someone who provides this level of support.

    These aren't even his forums! Now that's going above and beyond :)
     
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  11. djprog

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    Hi Brent,

    thanx for your reply, you can have a look at the MSR 305867 where i reported the rank tracking issue.

    But you can be right and it's the "personal surf customization" google is doing that's ruining the exact rank tracking.

    I can actually get 3 rankings :
    - 1 ranking with firefox (that I use all the time), which is most of the time the best ranking (say position between 1-3 for my keywords).
    - 1 different ranking with safari (with the cache cleaned) (most of the time aound position 4).
    - 1 other different ranking within MS (and it's always the less optimistic ranking, saying i'm around position 7-8).
    I'm quite sure at the end my ranking must be around position 3 as I get quite a lot of traffic. What is really annoying is I can't say if my efforts are paying as depending on what I use to check the ranking, I'll get 3 different answers at my question...

    I don't know if there is something MS can do to solve this... but i'm sure you'll find something :wave:

    Cheers,

    PS : keywords to be kept private thanx
    PPS : it's getting even worst today !!!
    For my primary kewords and the downloaded last MS upgrade, MS just can't find my site in the top 1000. I'm not deindexed (site:blah.com returns all my pages). and I'm still position 2-3 (using firefox on my virtual machine, ccleaner to get rid of the cookies + searching using one of my USA private proxy). There's definetly a big bug in the lateste upgrade. I didn't change my rank tracker settings as well.
     
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