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looking for white and gray hat tactics :)

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by eljeffe77, Aug 17, 2010.

  1. eljeffe77

    eljeffe77 Junior Member

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    I got hired to do SEO for a new dotcom company with a 2 week old website. It's run by a few guys that have some good financial backings, so First thing I had them do was buy a domain based keyword. The website they have now looks great, and the site name is cool - BUT the site name doesn't have any of the main keywords in it we're after.

    I need to rank for keywords with MILLIONS of exact phrase competitors.

    I did see TWO new websites in the top 20 with 0 page rank, and less than 150 links - they BOTH had the keywords in the domain name. So, I know that having a domain name is powerful - I was actually surprised that it was THIS powerful.

    So anyways - but I need some seriously advanced SEO tactics here.

    Here's what I"m GOING to do so far


    1. EVO 2 runs to the site
    2. Create RSS links from the Evo 2 run, submit to multiple RSS Directories
    3. Press Releases
    4. Doc Sharing Sites
    5. Youtube videos - and share them on OTHER sites
    6. Do EVO 2 runs on all of the above, as needed to create more links and bump them up as needed.

    Any other ideas? I'm not an SEO n00b by all means, but this IS the hardest keyword I"ve ever gone after. How do the big corporations do it? Outsource a crap load of link building to the Philippines?

    Thanks [​IMG]

    jeff
     
  2. edgematch

    edgematch Elite Member

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    Sorry but did you get hired to do seo? or did you hire someone? If your answer is the first one, how come don't you know that having the keyword is so much important in domain names?
     
  3. eljeffe77

    eljeffe77 Junior Member

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    I DO know that having the domain name as the keyword is important - which is why i said "I know that having the domain name is powerful"

    My question is, how do I rank for a keyword with MILLIONS of EXACT competitors - with OUT having the domain name for the keyword, and withOUT resorting to (too much) black hat...
     
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    MonoPuff Junior Member

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    Do a search for backlink blueprint in the downloads section.. It should get you thinking in the right direction
     
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    fvcktheworld Regular Member

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    Are you looking to outsource a bunch of work or do all of this yourself? Answer the question and I will try to point you in the right direction.
     
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  6. eljeffe77

    eljeffe77 Junior Member

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    I might outsource if needed - the phrase i want is "iphone accessories" and similiar to that

    thanks ALL
     
  7. caroline42

    caroline42 Junior Member

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    Well should not be that hard, going with your example, there are only 97.000.000 competitors without quotes and 2.000.000 with quotes.

    Seems a bit tougher than my ranking for a two word "marketing" term with 200.000.000 without and yeah, only 600.000 with quotes, but I've done a first page ranking with less than 20 links, using "smart" onpage optimization purely white hat.

    With the intelligent use of some BH tools and well implemented onpage optimization you should be able to get decent rankings too.
     
  8. summertime1

    summertime1 Junior Member

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    What I just read:

    Seriously...!? EVO2 (I think we re talking about linkfarm evolution?) is one of the most powerful, most blackhat tools out there. So you must be kidding when asking for white and grey hat, right?
     
  9. mate73

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    Seriously, why do people continue to analyse the number of results when thinking about going into a niche? A fraction of all people will go past the second page so you really need to compete with the competition on position 1 - 20. It doesn't matter if there's 100 or 1 000 000 000 results. If you can't place yourself at least on the second page there's almost no point going into a niche.

    Sure, with lower results there's a slim possibility that you can rank on similar keywords but then you aren't actually going after your original keyword.
     
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  10. eljeffe77

    eljeffe77 Junior Member

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    Hmm, I've just never gone after a phrase with over 200,000 before. I guess doing IM i've always gone for the quick and eas phrases under 50k with quotes. What did YOU do exactly to get ranked so high for that phrase? Nice job btw :)

    Well, Evo 2 doesnt create 10k links at once - it creates up to 100 or so, so while it is automated - it's not really bh per say, is it? At any rate - i'm open to anything that may work.

    Regardless of that tho - what would YOU suggest? I'm open to anything at this moment that won't get the site sandboxed or banned. :)

    Speaking of sandboxed - google has said PUBLICALLY that you can't do anything to hurt your competitors rankings or get them de-indexed, yet I read an article today (WSO) that talked about how to not get sandboxed, etc. What are YOUR thoughts on that?

    Thank you ALL - much appreciated. I'm by all means NOT an SEO n00b, I'm just an SEO n00b for phrases over 200k in quotes - LOL

    Thanks

    Jeff
     
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    Just because the traffic volume goes up doesn't mean the rules change.. Good onpage SEO with high quality backlinks and you'll pop up..

    I'm ranking No.4 on a KW with 185,000,000 competitors with only 900 backlinks..

    The rules never change no matter what the keyphrase is..
     
  12. Longover

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    I know from personal experience that you don't always need the keyword in your domain. You will get to position 1 a lot quicker if you have an exact match domain, but it is not required.

    If you have a non-keyword domain, you are going to have to be in it for the long-haul and structure your site like an authority in the niche. I've done this with a few sites and they rank across multiple keywords just because of their authority.

    By the way, how did you get a high paying client if you don't have much seo experience?
     
  13. eljeffe77

    eljeffe77 Junior Member

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    Well - competitors for some of these keywords have 50,000 PLUS links to their site and page -so where I could get 200 links before to get page 1, because my competitor has 175 links - wouldn't I need to get 55k plus now - with of course the on page seo?

    That's always what I figured I guess - mind PM'ing me the phrase you're ranked for? I won't share it - I just want to see what you're doing right.

    Thanks
    jeff
     
  14. eljeffe77

    eljeffe77 Junior Member

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    I never said I don't have much SEO Experience - I've just never done it for a HUGE keyword before. :)

    I bumped them up this WEEK from the middle of page 3 to the bottom of page 1 for one phrase for a smaller site they have.