Long Term Experiment - The "Foolproof" Linkwheel

Micallef,
Do you do use other link building tactics besides high pr blog commenting on powerful domains for your 2.0 properties? I f so can you pleas elaborate.

I have gotten into a rut of doing almost nothing but manual blog commenting on high pr **************** blog pages for my money sites with a few forum profiles mixed in which seems to be what you described in your op as your main source of backlinks.

High pr blog commenting is very addicting when you see your money site shoot up to the first page of the serp rather quickly, but as you have also witnessed, this method is like building a house on quicksand as you fall back pretty quick if you do not keep up with your commenting do to the fact that some of the links become no ****, get deleted or the juice on the page gets split between to many links over time which makes them less valuable.

Have you ever considered buying a few strong links to solidify your money sites with ?

Also, would you use the same tactics (holding off adding your money link for a month) in your op if you were just going to use the 2.0 sites as a back link source that does not include interlinking a network (linkwheel)?

Interesting set of questions.

I've got a lot of other link building channels, but their main purpose is to diversify the profile. Without the involvement of money, comment spam is potentially the most powerful tactic. One example of another link source is using GSA autosoft submit - rip off a tiny piece of software and auto submit it to thousands of software download sites. Another source is making wordpress themes - this is intensive work but it's paid off for a few sites.

The quicksand effect you are talking about is not all that bad. Links will start to fade, but normally it takes a little while. It's not like I'm desperately trying to claw back links - more like "oh, looks like this page is slipping a bit, better add a couple more links".

Yes, I would always hold off the addition of money links until some time has passed, regardless of link strategy.
 
Just wanted to clarify one thing from what i posted above. I don't spend alot of time networking up these 2.0 accounts. Its usually as simple as looking at the front page, seeing who the site bigshots are, and "friending" them or "like" button on their stuff.

I am also not talking about creating "real" content. Just BS content that has some sort of "artsy" or "themed" feel to it.

Heres and example:
http://ideas.ohlog.com/some-texture-samples-pics-for-project.oh107262.html

Not a lot of text and some pics from a cellphone.

Ill hit a spot with a few posts like this over a couple of weeks before working in text links.

Not a lot of extra work if you use a posting service like pingfm or posterous.

And a lot of places do not warrant this type of care. These spots are just great as "stabilizers" because others can't get access easily.

You also have to look at the potential link juice when deciding whether a 2.0 site is worth investing a little more time into.

Again, its one of those things you develop a knack for after building a lot of stuff.

Hope this cleared up a few things.
 
This is the first time I read this post. The first time when I found out about linkwheels was about a month ago. I did not even try them because many people was saying they were not working now. So checking the regular strategy people was doing I figure out why google was cracking them out. They were not providing any value to the index so as Micallef I did my own experiments.

FIRST EXPERIMENT

  1. I grabbed a bunch of articles on other language (I am bilingual so no problem for me) I translated to english using Google translate. I corrected some grammar mistakes of the engine. That took me about 10 minutes per article.
  2. I created each WEB 2.0 property using unique themes. For blogger I downloaded templates, and for wordpress I used any uncommon template.
  3. I added ten articles per blog. The articles were unique. Moreover, I posted some images that I grabbed from flirck. So at this points all blogs were looking fantastic.
  4. To index them I posted some links on related forums. Since each article of the blogs were informative, I had no problem opening a topic offering some tips shown in the articles. So in less than a week all blogs were fully indexed.
  5. Because all blogs were looking good, I decided submitting them to blog directories and believe it or not they were accepted. I even submitted some of them to DMOZ
  6. Now, the blogs are getting some traffic from SE so it's time to start the wheel. I am planning linking a blog per week to make it look natural. The money site will receive the juice at the end of the process.
Second Experiment

The first experiment was a success, however it took me a lot of time on translating each article so I decided to use another strategy. Following the instruction from Google webmaster guidelines to avoid duplicated content. I decided to use articles from article directories. The instruction to avoid duplicated content is simple: You must put a link back to the article source.
I did exactly as in the first experiment: Added unique themes, images, links from forums and directories. However, the articles were from article directories. Amazingly, the blogs were fully indexed and accepted to blog directories. So I will start linking the wheel slowly.

On both experiments I added links pointing to sites as wikipedia.

NOTE: If you are thinking what happened with the resource box links on articles from AD, I did not removed them but added nofollow tag. Seem not fair for the article authors, but at least I did not removed them.

how to add no follow tags in resource box links?
 
This is an awesome thread and I am going to read through this in more detail as I have time. I have had plenty of success with just linking straight to the money site, and I am starting to think I should just do this again like I used to do in the past!
 
I use some of these techniques, and I love taking it beyond one wheel/net and then backlinking the hell out of my blogs/articles and gobbling up the first page w/ all my own stuff. its actually diabolical. Once my wheel/net is built up, I then use it again to boost my related sites. My wheel/net is already established and its almost like cheating. I guess its sort of a "super" wheel/net, but regardless once in place its a monster.
 
This method is effective as heck. I've even started to set up active twitter/facebook accounts for splogs on touchy hosts like wordpress/edublogs and include a bunch of widgets and crap on them. Never been reported as a spammer since then.
 
Just a heads up if you are using a blogger blog as part of your link roots/nodes.

Blogger seems to have automatically incorporated analytics now - when you log in, you should see a "stats" tab on your blog. I have a blog on there that I was tracking with statcounter, but it now has blogger's analytics as well.

If you don't mind Google tracking the traffic on your nodes, it's OK. If you like to keep em in the dark, then you need to rethink using blogger.
 
though in general link wheels works very good.
but do not think link wheels just for web 2.0 properties
i even create link wheels for my do follow comments
scrapebox is state of art when it comes to this
 
Micallef,

When you go back a month later to insert your links, are you putting them in old posts or are you uploading a new post with your links in them? I am wondering if adding links to old posts would be trigger.

If you are adding links to old posts are you deep linking to multiple pages?

Also, what are your thoughts on using styles to make your links look like regular text, so the 2.0 site mods do not see the links if they look your site over?
I wonder if the G, throws up a flag when they come across these type of links?
 
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@ Micallef: I've been following this thread for a while now.
Just came back to check if you had posted something about any actual results...
I see the last post were made 11-19-2010 from MisterGemini, ... 18 days ago ... so I guess no result yet?
I'm very keen to hear if your money sites got on top of SERP after linking together your so called linkroots... :)
Must be time to link them together soon?
 
I can't believe I missed this thread...

Complex, randomized, layered/leveled mininets seem to be the way to go, using a mix of articles and video content
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@ Micallef: I've been following this thread for a while now.
Just came back to check if you had posted something about any actual results...
I see the last post were made 11-19-2010 from MisterGemini, ... 18 days ago ... so I guess no result yet?
I'm very keen to hear if your money sites got on top of SERP after linking together your so called linkroots... :)
Must be time to link them together soon?

'Linkroots'...

I'll play along with this, but I think it sounds silly. It's not a winner in my eyes. I counter-propose 'linktree'. Sounds nicer for some reason. It may be the opposite of roots, but 'family tree' got away with it and it's the same thing.

EDT: Just thought, when you grow some plants like tomatoes and chillis, you pinch out the terminal node to stop it growing upwards and encourage a split growth of the stem in two different directions. You're in control of where it grows. Unlike roots.

@MisterGemini: Objection overruled ;)
 
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I've recently started to play with linkwheels/linklines myself and i'm gonna to apply your guidelines.

Should there be any problem with really big link lines / wheels ( 40 + links ) as long as the content is fairly unique?
 
Thank you all.

I am after reading from the beginning and feeling
a little less newbie :).
I'd like to contribute my 2 cents.
It's a must to take into consideration GEO, I mean
having links from the USA and traffic only from ASIA,
creating a nice and easy to find footprint.

Happy new year,

A.
 
Any update on this yet?

Have started using something similar and would like to know your result so far
 
No problem, I was meaning to update anyway.

I've come to integrate the mini-net into my everyday SEO activities. For my most profitable keywords, I simply view the construction and promotion of mini sites (in the way described in the original post) as a project that will continue indefinitely. The more assets you control, the more control you can have over a keyword.

So, I've now got some formidable networks going. The average network size is 8, but to really make sure of avoiding the time-stamp trigger, I've slowly built up and still have not finished (up to site 6 or 7 on each network).

Because it's so spaced out in time, the production process is really not draining at-all. Building up the backlinks to the mini sites takes work, but It's easy enough. Most of the sites have between 20 and 40 decent backlinks (combination of manual and scrapebox).

In fact, some of the minisites are beginning to rank for unintended long tails. I've got some confused comments from genuine readers asking me about the incorrect statements and general nonsense I've been idly using for content. This is a good sign that Google is treating my high quality mini-sites as real, trusted websites.

All blogs have been indexed in 3 days or less, none have been taken down, and I've stuck to the original plan for the most part.

The only change is that I have adapted my content production to cope with the high demand for articles. For the first 2 or 3 posts on a mini site, I will use 100% unique content. After this point, I think it's ok to use really well-spun content (I use the best spinner). By "well spun", I mean 70% plus, with 4 levels of nested spinning and at least 40% of the sentences being optional. Spinning to this level of quality is time consuming, but it takes about one third of the time it would take to create the same amount of content the old fashioned way - and it's much less effort-intensive.

So yes, it's all going to plan.

But as for a final result, I can't provide it just yet. This is a long term experiment in every sense of the word. The time hasn't yet come for me to "switch on" the networks. That will come in the next several weeks.


So i suppose you do not use autoapprove scrapebox links to your network at all?
Why?
 
Also wondering if any of the things discussed have changed since the panda update.
 
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