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Long Tail Keywords Not Recognised By Google? Any Experts Here?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by tbrad, Nov 23, 2010.

  1. tbrad

    tbrad Registered Member

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    So i've been trying to figure out why i am page 1 on yahoo, page 1 on bing, but not ranking in the top 1000 for google for my longtail keyword,
    and it appears that google doesn't seem to recognise long tail keywords at all, instead treating each word within a long tail keyword as a separate keyword.

    For example, the longtail keyword.... "penis enlargement pills cheap"

    will be treated as 4 seperate keywords, "penis", "enlargement", "pills", "cheap", by google.

    This seems quite significant for anyone that has based their niche around a long tail keyword, does anyone else have any experience with this?

    I guess I will have to target different separate keywords, and leave longtails alone, they seem totally redundant, at least for google.
    And also, that example is NOT my keyword :)
     
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    I just ranked a longtail keyword 5 words long on the first page, medium competition. Perhaps there is something missing in what you're doing. What kind of backlinks do you have, how many?
     
  3. tbrad

    tbrad Registered Member

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    Does the longtail keyword show as a longtail keyword in your webmaster tools?
    Or are they all split up into seperate keywords?

    According to webmaster tools, i have 4300 incoming links, which should be WAY MORE than enough to stomp the competition.

    But im not even coming in the top 1000 with google, its a joke.

    Check your webmaster tools and see if your longtail is there under your keywords.
     
  4. aftershock2020

    aftershock2020 Senior Member

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    Google does still recognize long tail keywords. The issue is that you have to be sure and customize the onpage content to reflect that keyword and related words and phrases. If you don't customize each of your sub pages for that specific keyword in the onpage content, you are going to find the result you are already getting, which is due to the fact that google isn't finding relevant content onpage for your keyword, it is running through the paces of breaking it down instead, looking to associate a keyword in the long tail phrase so it can categorize it in the search engine results under one or more of those, based on ' onpage content relevancy '.

    Tweak your pages for streamlining more towards your keyword phrase and see how that works for you. Understand that you can not simply attach any keyword to any site anymore - it MUST have onpage relevance to the keyword you are trying to get or it will be ignored and flagged ' uncategorized due to insufficient content relevance ' by a spider until you do change/target it to that standard.

    Good luck.




     
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  5. RedWolf

    RedWolf BANNED BANNED

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    this is happen with me many times

    just keep backlinking for that keywords and soon u will see ur site on top
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  6. tbrad

    tbrad Registered Member

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    The entire site is relevant to the keyword, i structured the content around the longtail keyword, ill see if i can increase its density on the site, do you have longtail keywords displayed in your webmaster tools?
     
  7. aftershock2020

    aftershock2020 Senior Member

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    Yeah, no problem seeing them nor getting them. Be aware that what you consider as density isn't keyword stuffing , as that seems to be a returning google sandbox factor in being mentioned too often in a single page. As well, take notice of your overall site offering and if google holds your product/service in the same niche as a relevant element as well. I've been testing all kinds of different variables and seeing some surprising results on how the combinations fair in the natural search results for the given keyword, niche and content.
     
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  8. tbrad

    tbrad Registered Member

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    Ok thats reassuring that the longtails are being picked up in webmaster tools, i guess for some reason its not picking mine up on my site.

    Many thanks for the feedback, ill increase density across the whole site, and see what happens.
     
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    I'm not using webmaster tools or g-analytics :)
     
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    So how can you be sure that you are ranking for a longtail, and not the seperated words of your longtail?
     
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    because I'm getting traffic for the longtail keyword. And when I search the keyword from 4 different computers in different cities, logged out, with the cache cleared you'll find me ranked on the first page (for the united states anyways)
     
  12. aftershock2020

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    You can use onsite analytics and testing the natural search rank position of your keywords and not use any tools. I use google's keyword tool for estimated traffic volumes and potential interest, as well as use google trends for potential product and service interest topics. Other than that, how and why I personally rank sites is through a lot of field testing and adjustment to counter what works and doesn't work over time.

    That's just my take on it.
     
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  13. localdominator

    localdominator Newbie

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    Have you considered pairing your site with a Google Places listing? This often provides a substantial jump. Also, you may be experiencing some affects of the change to Google Instant. Since Google is trying A) Deliver local results asap, and B) guess what someone is searching for before you complete what you are typing, you may find it beneficial to add the local piece to the equation. That should provide you the bridge and keep you from having to retool.
     
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    interesting concept for regional, local search results. Can do the same thing in using google, bing, yahoo local search tools with the advanced features as an alternative, from one machine.
     
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    Indeed that would be more productive haha. But I'm not too worried as my onsite analysis is consistent with the keyword tool (for exact results)
     
  16. tbrad

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    I took your advice, and my site is now ranking 3rd on page 1 in google.
    Thank you very much man, my keyword wasn't dense enough across my site for google, although it was for bing and yahoo.

    I guess that's a lesson learned.
    Much appreciated.
     
  17. aftershock2020

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    You bet, glad to be of help when/where I am able.

    Congrats on the new rank listing. Remember to keep updating that page and resubmitting/pinging it about once every other week, which a new sentence, rephrasing of current sentences...basic tweaking, to make enough of a change to keep it as new and fresh as possible.

    Now that you've ranked for the position, you have to HANG ON TO IT. You can do that with simple changes, to keep it new and up to date in what I call ' the new content list ' in google. If you do subtle changes in your text but don't do anything drastic, the next time you are crawled, the bots will log the updated statement, image change, new text, etc. and not red flag you for drastically changing your content for live review/investigation of foul play, as well as will not remove you and list you in general listing due to the same information.

    Example of hos this works: Facebook over took google recently for the most used site in the internet and top ranking for ' most current content '. The reason for this is due to the fact of everytime it is being, people have posted more comments, content, etc.

    The difference people fail to see in that concept is that it is completely expected of a site that is in the ' social networking ' category. However, a personal business sales page or website is NOT listed in the same category and doesn't hold the same privilages for updated content, which means you are judged on a different set of standard rules...hense why the content you changed got your ranked and the subtle and tiny changes will be more than enough to keep you there without drastically spinning your content and getting sandboxed.


    Keep it extremely simple and don't overwork it. Seriously, changing, adding, removing 3-5 sentences will be more than enough to register as ' updated content ' and keep you in the new listings longer.
     
  18. Ultraburner

    Ultraburner Junior Member

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    Really useful post guys and particular thanks to AfterShock2020.

    The same thing has happened to my site. It ranks in Bing and Yahoo (Page 2) and was Pos #4 on Google page one. I changed the title tag, I was auditing the site using a tool and was told the title tag was tooo long (Greater than 70 char), and bang it got floored by Google and hasnt managed to get back up off the canvas.

    Dam annoying cos it was converting really well for Amazon and Adsense and I thought it would be a good model to build on.

    How do you know if you are stuffing or not? And any other tips :)

    Si.
     
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