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Linkwheel: one important question

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by ezln1994, Aug 27, 2009.

  1. ezln1994

    ezln1994 Registered Member

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    Hi guys,

    I have read a lot of linkwheel and i want to build my first one.

    One point which I don't understand:

    Why the linkwheels don't get banned from google?
    It's must be very easy for google to detect them.


    Greets, ezln
     
  2. knaox

    knaox Registered Member

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    You have to watch it. Often times people break the link in one or two places (depends on how large the wheel is) then connect a single site to an entirely new wheel.

    Google is smart and I'm sure they're well aware of link wheels at this point.
     
  3. Micallef

    Micallef Supreme Member

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    I have made over 30 linkwheels. My success rate (success defined as me getting at least 3 properties prominent on page 1) is around 60%. I think this is due to differences in competition more than anything.

    One wheel I made had 12 properties. All urls were basically the same, all titles and anchors essentially the same. All sites were made in 1 day. The wheel was successful after 2 weeks.

    I feel that the inevitable index delay with web 2.0 properties (which can be up to 3 weeks) compensates for the obviousness of making many properties at once.

    It is important to remember never to close the loop with your links. If A links to B and C, and B links to C and D, you are making it much easier for Google to detect you.

    A better general scheme for your link patterns would be A links to C and D, and B links to D and E. This way, Google has to follow your linkwheel all the way round back to the beginning to discern an attempt at manipulation. This is why you should always place a break in the wheel.
     
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    ezln1994 Registered Member

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    Thanks a lot for your idea. Do you make the linkwheels by hand or with a tool(s)?
     
  5. Micallef

    Micallef Supreme Member

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    At present, I do everything by hand. An average wheel takes 6-8 hours.
     
  6. ezln1994

    ezln1994 Registered Member

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    I have tried to paint your idea. One "problem"!?!

    From which Sites the Sites A and B will get the backlinks? Without close the wheel.
     

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    johnkperks Newbie

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    Theguru provided a fabulous linkwheel diagram on this post... http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/black-hat-seo/74797-back-link-diagram-tutorial.html which captures clearly how to build and manage linkwheel. I am following that since last 2 weeks and guess things will work out. Still haven't seen much coming back.
     
  8. Micallef

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    The diagram shown here, http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/white-hat-seo/112828-linkwheel-one-important-question.html, is the model I used for my first linkwheel. It was successful.

    You could build standard backlinks to properties A and B to boost them up. Or you could simply make another few properties, not designed to rank but to provide backlinks.

    A linkwheel may be the wrong name for what we're trying to do here. It's a nice sounding concept but in fact, the wheel element itself is marginal to success.

    Success comes from Google's trust of web 2.0 properties - or rather, its unreasonable distrust of any other new site. You are aiming to get your properties on page 1 so you can stick redirecting or affiliate links on them. If you choose the right niche (trial and error I'm afraid), this will happen.

    In time, Google will recognise the context and relevance provided by your "wheel" and, with a little spamming for good measure, your money site should rise accordingly. However, only once has my money site ever been top out of all my web 2.0 properties.
     
  9. TheInternetViking

    TheInternetViking Junior Member

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    @ezln1994,

    I agree with you. I think that you must close the link wheel or else it will not be much of a "wheel", but rather a chain.

    I was thinking more of Lemonarian's Linkwheel concept. It works quite well. Using SENuke to do it is also very helpful.
     
  10. SpazzyMcSpazz

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    But, but, but... the book says to "follow the instructions EXACTLY" :) Really, it does.

    After all the stuff I've seen, I kinda doubt if linkwheels really exist. It could be just "web2.0 link building" or some kind of google fluke or a lot easier keyword than it seems to be. But really, if you think outside the box, it's not a linkwheel anymore! And a double linkwheel ain't outside of the box.
     
  11. Website

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    They key is getting enough traffic to make money. Ranking for a keyword that gives scant traffic for 12 hours of linkwheel work isn't such a good deal. Maybe use linkwheels in conjunction with a constent generator? Make 1000 scraped pages?
     
  12. Micallef

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    I made a linkwheel with 12 spokes for one long tail keyword. I did not close the wheel. In 3 weeks and with a little bit of coment spamming I had the keyword swamped, along with most associated keywords and even the product name itself. All these keywords have about 1000 searches per month each.

    I made the wheel 8 weeks ago and since then it has generated hundreds of dollars. The sales come from affiliate clicks on the properties. It's an amazing earner and well worth the time I spent making and promoting it.

    Like I said earlier, linkwheels work because google trusts web 2.0 properties. They provide context and relevance for each other and boost each other up the serps, dragging your money site up with them. You cannot expect to see results for your money site immediately, and for me this is not the reason I make "linkwheels". The more sites you can cram onto page 1, the more money you get. It's as simple at that.
     
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    wheaties Newbie

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    Since when has a Black Hatter Ever followed the instructions... :D
     
  14. Djingel

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    when starting a linkwheel you start with a plan, does anybody knows what calculations to make to make sure all the linkpower is send to 1 site?
     
  15. Micallef

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    Web 2.0 properties force you to have a certain number of links on your personal page - for example, linking to their help and support section. There is so much linkjuice dispersal on most properties that using them to get your money site page rank is not much good.

    What they are good for is pointing relevant, in-content links at your money site. Google gives just as much weight to these factors as it does to linkjuice and page rank.

    The properties with the fewest forced links are weebly, blog.com, wikidot and wordpress.com
     
  16. ezln1994

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    That's true! Thank all for answers.

    You must read all the ideas and methods from all users. Make your own mixture, with your own ideas...

    I hope this will work!
     
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    I just found platinvm offers a link wheel creation service, you might be interesting on it, I know I do,

    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...al-affordable-linkwheel-creation-service.html

    Saves you time on building the properties, I also want to try the service one of these days.

    Best part of the service that platinvm gives you the accounts and has a replace policy in case one of the property gets deleted.
     
  18. krishananda

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    I just found platinvm offers a link wheel creation service, you might be interesting on it, I know I do,

    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...al-affordable-linkwheel-creation-service.html

    Saves you time on building the properties, I also want to try the service one of these days.

    Best part of the service that platinvm gives you the accounts and has a replace policy in case one of the property gets deleted.
     
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    I see some potential using linkwheels with infomercial products or clickbank products to dominate the top 10 results.