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Linkwheel idea

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Kitsune, Apr 26, 2010.

  1. Kitsune

    Kitsune Junior Member

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    Would a linkwheel which would consist only of blogspot and wordpress be effective? I mean a linkwheel where blogspot links to wordpress then wordpress to blogspot.....
    It was pain in the ass for me to register to so many web 2.0 sites and then try to figure out where i can create blog how to make a post and add link. Half of the accounts i registered were unused.
    With my idea i thought that it could be easier make properties in only 2 interfaces not 12. Also i read that google gives higher rankings to wordpress.com blogs and probably blogspot blogs because google owns them.
    That would allow me to spam those blogs all over the internet.

    Only thing i don't know is whether link juice will be passed in this type of linkwheel. What do you think? Would i have to make new account for each blog?

    Also do you suggest closing the link wheel or leaving it open?
     
  2. BassTrackerBoats

    BassTrackerBoats Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    That is hardly worth your while for two reasons. Link wheeling does not work any longer and you need to randomize your Web 2.0 properties to get serp love.
     
  3. Rudyzplace

    Rudyzplace Regular Member

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    Don't put all your articles in only 2 blogs, it will not be effective and probably WP will remove them in a couple of days
     
  4. waynezz

    waynezz Junior Member

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    LinkWheel still works, but not as good as it used to be. Just do it man.

    And to answer your question, I'd recommend you leave the wheel open.
     
  5. Kid Shaleen

    Kid Shaleen Regular Member

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    I've had a similar idea I'm still kicking around in my head, using free web hosting that lets you set up multiple subdomains. Once you've registered for the basic service you can set up additional subdomains in under a minute. So since google treats subdomains as separate entities, by thinking is something like:

    dogtraining.bazillionhosts.com ==> links to:
    dogtraining.hubbahubba.com ==> links to:
    train-your-dog.bazillionhosts.com ==> links to:
    get-dog-training.hubbahubba.com ==> links to:

    etc.
     
  6. BassTrackerBoats

    BassTrackerBoats Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    Nice idea... make sure that you do not complete the "wheel" and make sure you interlink some of those sites. If you want, I have a free ebook that I can give you that has an interesting twist on that.
     
  7. Tinus

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    can u make a shit linkwheel but instead of ur own site, U could then use a competitors site?
    Then you could really see if google actual punishes you for using (closed)linkwheels?
     
  8. Talsin

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    I dont think they punish you, they just ignore them.
     
  9. djprog

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    This should not work as you expect as all the properties would have the same C-Class IP (too many links between properties on the same server is not good). I tought about it myself.

    What I want to test out is the registration on wordpress from different countries using TOR : maybe wordpress has multiple datacenter around the globe and give you a blog with a different C-class if you are registering from Japan, UK or USA (???).

    test test test :deer2:
     
  10. platinvm

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    Maybe this is just me but I don't think C-class IP is a big variable when Google is deciding the value of a link.

    I haven't done much testing on it though, have you done some testing or are you just assuming?
     
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    So far I've always read and trully believe that links from within the same c-class IP are not as valuable as other links, as chances are they are build by the same guy.

    However I can't say i'm 100% sure either... but it's something most of the articles and post i've read agreed on.
     
  12. caroline42

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    To keep a linkwheel under the radar of big G you have to be a bit smarter and take a more complicated linking approach like this, I've heard >

    www.beabea.net
     
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  13. AaronTellez20

    AaronTellez20 Newbie

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    That was really complicated. Thank you anyway for sharing this and I need to draw my linkwheel charts later.. :Eyecrazy:
     
  14. polocolto

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    Why do people say that linkwheel dont work. Take a look at this hostmonsterreview.org and its twin brothers like bluehostreview.org

    They all link to each other, are hosted on the same server and dominate serps.
     
  15. BassTrackerBoats

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    A closed linkwheel has little to no effect on your rankings.

    What other SEO work has been done with those sites you mentioned?
     
  16. Kitsune

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    I'm starting to think that the linkwheel concept is pretty useless.
    Why should i link the web 2.0 properties to each other when i could link them directly to the money site? In theis article Matt Cutts said that 10-15% of pagerank is not split between outgoing links.
    I did some calculations and i found out that more PR would be transferred to the money site if i would link 6 web 2.0 properties directly to the money site than do the 6 properties linkwheel.
    What do you think about this.
     
  17. caroline42

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    Absolutely correct; anyway a link wheel gives you a certain protection if you are using BH methods avoiding eventual penalisations for your own (money) sites.
     
  18. cloudzero

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    Apart from the fact this is unethical (and you might get discovered), the site being
    linked to does NOT get penalised, the value of the link wheel could lowered.

    HTH

    Glenn
     
  19. moneygod

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    Don't put all your articles in 2 blogs
     
  20. Stu784

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    I've just started using linkwheels and this is what I do:

    I write a 350-400 word base article around the particular keyword I want to target and then spin it in 'Power Article Rewriter' I creat 100 spun articles with a uniqueness of at least 40% and save/export them.

    Then I do an article blast to about 30 of the higher PR article directories with 'Automatic Article Submitter' (I know you can spin within AAS but I prefer PAR).

    Here's some of the article directories I currently use:

    Ezine Articles
    GoArticles
    Article Dashboard
    Isnare
    Articles Base
    Article Alley
    Article Click
    Amazines
    Easy Articles

    Just creat a custom list in AAS and hand pick the higher PR directories.


    I then use the articles I saved earlier and begin to add one to each of the following web2.0 sites:

    Xanga
    Ning
    Scribd
    Tumblr
    Insane Journal
    Wetpaint
    Squidoo
    Blogger
    Nexo
    Onsugar
    Hubpages
    Typepad
    Vox
    Blogetery
    Jimdo
    Wordpress
    Blog
    Live Journal
    Zoho
    Gather
    Friendster
    Zoomshare
    Knol
    Wikispaces
    Google Site
    Terapad
    Twine
    Zimbio


    I aim to leave 3 links but some of the sites will only let you have 2 (e.g. Hubpages). With these 2/3 links I point back to my websites article targeting that keyword (and the page I want to rank), the next link to the next web2.0 property in the chain and the last one to the category page on my website for that same keyword. In that order so if I can only leave 2 links I always use the first 2 and the 3rd link is just a bonus.

    I don't ever close the wheel however instead I link the last web2.0 property to one of the articles I submitted earlier. And I randomise the web2.0 order for each linkwheel i creat.

    I then ping all the URL's with 'Ping Device', socialbookmark all the URL's with Onlywire and submit the RSS feeds with 'RSS Submit'

    And finally I add all the URL's to 'Market Samurai's Rank Tracker.'

    One other thing I do, whilst building the linkwheel, is I take the RSS feeds and creat RSS strings, for example:

    Xanga -> Squidoo -> Hubpages

    The idea here, in this example, is that as you add content to Xanga the RSS updates in Squidoo which has a knock on effect to Hubpages and so on. In terms of links if you have 1 article with one link on all 3 of these sites you'd actually get 6 links instead of just 3 with 3 articles.

    1 on Xanga | 1 on Squidoo + 1 on Xanga RSS | 1 on Hubpages + 1 on Squidoo RSS + 1 on Xanga RSS = 6
    If you add a second article to Xanga only (which you will do when you make your next linkwheel) then you'd have 2 links on Xanga 3 links on squidoo and 4 links on Hubpages = 9 links out of 4 articles.

    This will snowball as you build more linkwheels.

    Again I also randomize these strings.


    This whole process takes me about 5 hours as I do it manually. 2 hours to write a base article and spin it, 30 minutes to AAS submit, about 2 hours to submit to all these web2.0 sites and 30 minutes start to submit the URL's.


    This is my strategy and I'd welcome any feedback/ comments/ criticism so I can use my time more effectively.
     
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