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Linkwheel HELP!! :)

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by some rand, Aug 29, 2009.

  1. some rand

    some rand Junior Member

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    I understand how the whole linkwheel scenario works, but I was wondering if I used one article relating to my keyword that I am targetting through out ALL my web 2.0 properties and link one web 2.0 to the next and the to the main $ page and so on... or do I create a unique article relating to my keyword for each web 2.0 property.

    Obviously I will have quality, unique content on my main $ page, but I would just like to clear this up.

    Thanks.
     
  2. trafficator

    trafficator Newbie

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    Well, unique content is better... you could spin your articles... or rewrite them.. i like http://www.wpwriteagain.com/ or http://hiderefer.org/?http://rewriteit.co.za/
     
  3. Giuni

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    unique content..i've made one with same content and after 3 days...sandbox :(
    so rewrite the content
     
  4. Scotland

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    Yeah i can only echo what others have said, unique content will always work better. If your going to spin them i think its recommended to change it by 60%, im sure this is the figure, if in doubt just write unique or pay someone else to do it for you...

    Good Luck!!
     
  5. Quattro

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    What got sandboxed? your money site or the duplicate articles?
     
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  7. rushi

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    subsauce@ i guess duplicate articles were sandboxed
     
  8. Djingel

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    anyone has some mathematical information about the linkwheel thing?
     
  9. Micallef

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    All depends on how your wheel is meant to work.

    My wheels have 1 purpose - to dominate Google's page 1 for the keyword.

    So I use machine spun unique content that Google can't see anything wrong with, but a human would give up trying to read in 10 seconds.

    All I need is a position on page 1 to whack my affiliate link. However, for those of you who have to make a sales pitch, this may not be so effective.

    Generally, you will not get far using dupe content in your wheels unless it's an extremely short term reward you're going for.
     
  10. allrecycle

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    what method do you follow to make your linkwheels??
     
  11. Djingel

    Djingel Junior Member

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    Micallef, I've been reading your posts for a while now and I was kinda hoping for a response from you :)

    Any idea where I can get more information about the mathematical theory of a linkwheel?

    Thnx man, great posts btw!
     
  12. theleadsource

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    I do the same thing, spin the article so it generates content that is acceptable to Google but you or I would have blood coming out of our eyes trying to read it.

    I just use translation sites, translate from English to Spanish to French to English or some variation of that. You get enough change by doing all the translations to get you unique articles to create your linkwheel.

    You could use on of those dime store free article spinners also and get a similar result.
     
  13. trafficator

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    Well, im quite new to this but will try and explain what i think it the logic. The whole concept behind a link wheel is the distribution of the link juice / page rank to the hub..

    To understand the concept behind link wheel we need to first know how google distributes page rank. Google distributes the page rank in proportion to the number of sites that the main site is linked to..

    For example: lets assume two sites A & A1 with similar Pagerank link to sites (B,C) & sites(B1,C1 & D1) respectively..
    in this case the page rank distributed to site B & C would be higher that site B1, C1 & D1 roughly in the ratio 0.5:0.33

    This video has parts where distribution of PR is explained..
    http://wordpress.tv/2009/05/30/matt-cutts-google-sf09/
    So by creating a wheel, we sort of close down :
    - any leakage of distribution of link juice
    - distribute juice only amongst the sites linking to the hub - thus increasing the no. high ranking sites linking to the hub

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    If you look at the diagram..you would see that each Web 2.0 property is simultaneously promoting the Focus Website and the adjoining Web 2.0, which in turn is promoting the next one.. Thus increasing the ranks of all the sites in the wheel as well as passing on the juice to the hub.

    I think this is the basic concept.. would appriate BHW members to improve this..!
     
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  14. Micallef

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    Circular systems like this are why Google applies a damping factor of approximately 0.85 to each transfer of link juice. If it left the juice at 100%, then the PR would exponentially increase until the central hub became the largest hub in the network, a humerous if undesirable result.

    Now, my theory on why linkwheels work is not reliant very much on the PR system. This is because web 2.0 properties all come with a certain number of forced links which you cannot remove. As all PR is distributed equally out of a node, the more forced links you have, the less linkjuice you can direct to your money site.

    I have compiled a list of web 2.0 properties, and calculated the % linkjuice which can be directed at a money site from each with a certain number of links. I have taken internal links that lead back to the porperty into account. Here is the table:

    bftable.jpg

    As you can see, you can use web 2.0s for link juice transfer, but they are generally not very efficient at it.

    Yet, linkwheels work amazingly well. I think this is due to 2 factors.

    1) Your link already has a reasonable amount of linkjuice from the web 2.0 service.

    2) Your link is in the main text body, rather than in a comment. It is surrounded by text, and is on a site which Google recognises as relevant to your money site. It is generally accepted that Google's algorithm can automatically detect relevance or a lack thereof, and score a link up or down accordingly.

    Regarding the diagram presented above, I feel that a) it is too simplistic in its link structure and b) 6 properties is far too few. It's a good start and a great concept but there really is no necessity to close the wheel.

    In terms of the classic PR system, web 2.0 properties are just not that effective in transferring raw link power. Their strength lies in relevance, numbers and their own potential to rank due to Google's trust.
     
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  15. kendra

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    Micallef, when you spin your articles - what percentage of uniqueness do you go for?
     
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    Good lord.

    No offense, but people really suck at reading.

    Your question is answered in my report... right there on page 9.

    Basically, unique content is best - spun content is more convenient and still works, duplicate content will get you dropped like a rock.
     
  17. Website

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    its pretty simple
     
  18. some rand

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    Thanks guy - and sorry lemon, I never received/read your report :)