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Link Wheel Question

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by seomedia, Sep 11, 2009.

  1. seomedia

    seomedia Registered Member

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    If I am building a link wheel, and have set up a ton of Web 2.0 sites, does it matter if the content on the sites are the same as long as the links are there, or are Google gonna nail me for this?

    Should I spin the content on each of the sites?

    The thing is though, even though it's duplicate content, it's on another web 2.0 site, so technically it's valid, and has a follow link, or am I still gonna get my arse raped?

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  2. fabio76

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    Mate personally I just use unique content for my money page and I write some bs optimezed for the Kwords I am going for, then, I just change the title, tags and I add the new web 2.0 accs created with anchor text linking back to the bottom of the page.
    Time wasting really.... but works
     
  3. Micallef

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    It's the age old debate. Some people claim to have great results with duplicate content. I never have.

    Google wants to give its end users a good experience. Is finding 3 web 2.0 properties with the same content on page 1 for a keyword a good experience? No. It's a waste of the user's time. The user starts thinking "I wonder if bing will give me this crap too, let's give it a try".

    It just doesn't make sense to use duplicate content in linkwheels - from Google's point of view, from an SEO point of view and from a marketing point of view.

    Roll comments from people saying duplicate content ranks for them etc. If that's true, Google must be going downhill.
     
  4. platinvm

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    It depends why you are building a link wheel, when i build a link wheel for the most part I just build it for the link juice. If that's all you are doing then I don't see a problem.

    But if you are building them to get them ranked and trying to get some traffic then useing unique content is key.
     
  5. Yukinari84

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    This is a great plan to follow.

    This is exactly what I do and recommend.
     
  6. MichiganManiac

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    I've built linkwheels using Angela's backlinks before with NO content.

    Example: Let's say I was targeting the term "Electric Knife" on my site.

    I would fire up a profile from Angela's backlinks and work the two terms into a short "bio" of my fake persona. Something like:
    I copy this line into the Bio or About Me section on every profile that has one of those sections (not just a links section). I always link the term "electric knife" to the site I'm promoting and the term "kitchen knives" to the next site in the link wheel.

    As to the details, I'll usually do this on the fly as I go through the packet of the month. I'll keep the link to the money site the same for that month's packet. So if I'm using the term "electric knives" this month and pointing it to the homepage, I'll be consistent with that for the month. Next month I might go with "Steak Knives" and point it to a subpage...but I would be consistent with it that month as well.

    The "wheel term" I'll switch up though. In our example above I might switch between "kitchen knives" to "carving knives" to "pairing knives" as I post up the links.

    Anyway...you can see that there isn't really much content at all and in theory you could do this without posting anything to the provile at all except the two links!

    Anyway, this has worked well for me when I take the time to do it (I don't always do so...but I should) for rankings of the money site, so I think that duplicate content is not an issue personally if you are just looking for link juice to your main site...but it never does any type of "Top 10 Domination" like JVMarket's more advanced approach is designed to do.

    Another downside to this is that if any of the site administrators for the month nuke your profile, then the link wheel is broken...so you have to go back through and check. If it's broken, you have to close the loop.
     
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  7. Micallef

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    Yes, it simply depends on what you want.

    1) Juice up money site only - Duplicate content is ok

    2) Dominate top 10 - Duplicate content is not ok

    To my mind, a linkwheel in its truest sense aims to dominate the top 10 and juice up the money site at the same time. Combining these effects gives you a net bonus in results vs. time and effort.

    MichiganManiac, do you use angela profile pages as hubs in a "linkwheel" type structure? It's an interesting thought and I want to try it myself. However, as you have no intention of having the profile pages rank, I would class it as a backlink strategy rather than a linkwheel.
     
  8. MichiganManiac

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    Yes, that's what I do. As I work through the sites I find the ones that have either a blog, Bio, or About Me section that allows more than one link and instead of putting just one link in there, I'll put two. One pointing to the money site and one to the next hub in the link wheel (which happens to be another profile page from that month's link packet).

    Some months there are more of these sites than others, so I might have a 10-spoke wheel in June and a 6-spoke wheel in July.
     
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  9. suyvv

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    Hey I have a few questions to you linkwheel experts, do you guys care about keyword density on those web2.0 sites? If so what percentage do you recommend?

    Is it correct that web2.0 sites would help improving the main site ranking only if they have high pr backlinks supported themselves?

    And in terms of dominating top 10, all the web2.0 sites should be charged with high pr backlinks?

    Thanks.
     
  10. suyvv

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    Still waiting for answers...
     
  11. neo

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    Isn't it common sense?

    If you are building linkwheel for linkjuice for you money site, then keyword density doesn't matter and you don't need backlinks to your web2.o properties either. (you need to get them indexed though). This is the primary use of linkwheel.

    Dominating SERPS with web2.0 properties is a slightly different concept. You need backlinks pointing to your web2.0 properties. You can use blackhat link building methods like Xrumer for this. The web2.0 properties should preferably have unique content as well.

    -Neo
     
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  12. suyvv

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    I just wanted the confirmation, if getting web2.0 sites indexed already enough to help ranking, that would mean the relevance from web2.0 or the trust from google plays an important role in this rather linkjuices from them, as they wouldn't have much linkjuices to pass. Then may be the more web2.0s the better.

    But I doubt only bunches of web2.0 with pr n/a form a wheel could bring the site to the top spot. I believe those web2.0 still need to be charged with high pr backlinks to boost the main site ranking. And in such a case, the linkwheel structure doesn't seem to be the best structure to pass linkjuice.

    Just my 2 cent.
     
  13. MichiganManiac

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    I'm going to chime in here and say that whether or not you building links to the different spokes on your link wheel is a matter of preference.

    "Charging Up" the spokes on your link wheel is a more advanced (and time consuming) method.

    I don't employ it for basic link wheels, but I do for full blown blog farms. I'll end up creating as many as 6 layers from the money site if it makes sense to go the extra mile.
     
  14. suyvv

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    I agree, so I gonna test out my thought to see what will happen.

    Oh, forgot to thank your Angela's backlinks linkwheel method, I gonna try that as well.
     
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