Was doing some competition research into 3 of my niches and it dawned on me that nobody in the top 10 is doing "white hat only" -- in these smaller niches I mean. My sub-niche of stock trading... one guy had links from a golf site, a origami site, a gardening site, and then a site about gold plated conductors. My jaw dropped. He's in the top 10 for an awesome keyword and those links are most certainly not white hat. Google can suck a fat one! My conclusion is they're all paying for links, PBNS or straight link buys for the homepage (I'm sure I'll get a few DUHs from some of you at this point, lol). This was true for 3 of my small niches -- and I'm sure equally true for all of these med-level keywords. Most of those top 10 (the seo-ers operated ones) had obvious paid links. After all, if I run a a wildlife preserve website, I would naturally link to blog about stock trading -- Lol. Anyways... that small rant aside.... the point of this thread isn't to say "paid links work" -- it appears I was just scared by the white hat propaganda all this time. The point of this thread is to ask my fellow blackhatters if services link linksmanagement is worthwhile? Do you find paying straight cash for perma links of pr 1, 2, 3+ worth it as opposed to spending hours and dozens, if not hundreds, on PBN blasts and creating your own web 2.0 networks. The white hat propaganda led me to believe these "places" were "wretched hives of scum and villainy" where one must always be super cautious.... I now believe this to be a farce and am ready to rock and roll with the paid links. So, do you guys uses such services and feel confident in their power? Clearly a mix of links is best and I wouldn't go all to paid linking.... BUT if I could scale back the massive web 2.0 creation campaign and simply buy some pr 2 and pr 3 links.... phew... that would be a god send. Well, thanks for your thoughts I will be back in to check on what you guys have to say. -Sean P.S. I think deep down I've always known this to be true -- ever since the BMR, Linkvana crash years back. However, I got hit hard with penalties and then I lapped up the propaganda like a good little doggie when I was in the gutter. I have since NOT been able to make a comeback focusing purely on whitehat tactics. It just doesn't work and isn't scaleable (the way I work at least). This post is just to get that confirmation and get my thinking back on course... I.E. Fuck you google, I'm buying links again because you're a lying, manipulative whore that gives the most attention to those who have the biggest, longest, hardest..... links..... you god damn slut. P.P.S. Had a $10,000 per month business back in the BMR/link vana days and it went away in 3 months when the first blog network cleansing took place. Never got it back because I was fearful and tried to stay whitehat. Well, I've since come to the conclusion.... fuck that noise. Whitehat is for chumps that drink the koolaid!