Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by БРИГАДА88, May 29, 2013.
Which payment is secure like LR? Any options?
There are many like paypal, moneybookers, alertpay, webmoney, STP, bit-coins, payza, payoneer, qiwi, liqpay .
I don't think any of them are quite like LR WAS. I would say OKpay looks a good alternative about now.
i only use paypal ..
The thing about LR.... it wasn't secure.
moneybookers or escrow..
i talk on anonymous payment ways
id say the only simlarly secure is bitcoin now haha.
E-numbered looks very impressive, with a very honest FAQ/questions page. Ripple is another example, but it's still in beta. The next wave of processors will have to be as decentralized as Bitcoin to defeat shutdown efforts, so there can be no dramatic seizures of the domain or government looting of the assets.
So long as the e-currency is based on a website under a US controlled domain, or in a US/bank-cowed country, it is subject to hounding and harassment by the jackboots. But peer based networks, where the whole community consists of direct parties using open source software, who NEED NO third party agents to act as money service businesses or exchangers, is the future of anonymous processors.
Actually you don't need an anonymous processor or a regular payment processor, if you use a currency such as bitcoin. Its basically virtual cash as you send it directly like you would hand someone a $10 bill.
The only way to prevent being shut down as a payment processor is to go legit like how paypal and payza are, they only operate in a country if they have gotten all the licenses to operate.
I checked e-numbered on the various sites, and they look like a scam, especially their interest thing which has a ring of HYIP. I would suggest Bitcoin + bitcoin funded debit cards for now.
And BTC in contrary to popular beliefs isn't all that secure, complete transaction chain is around 8 GB, which can be traced without problem by any government institution.
paypal is good .. but paypal is very strict rules ..
But if you use a combination of vpns and tor to secure your location, and you do not actually do any of the following, then you have nothing to be worried about with set of protection, and if your still paranoid after using a good vpn and tor, you probably need to seek help for paranoia.
1. Child Porn
2. International Terrorism
3. International Financial Scam
4. Copyright infringement of any member of the MPAA/RIAA
Being anonymous is more about what you do than, what your are using.
A payment of interest (as an extra inducement to get people to join E-Numbered) is not necessarily a sign of anything, although it might contradict their "we're not a bank, we're an e-currency" claims. Do banks offering interest have a 'ring of HYIP?' And with BTC there's a difference between 'secure' with respect to each transaction, vs. anonymous.
It's actually an acceptable compromise to have a system where those who actually are allegedly performing crimes can have their transactions individually traced, while leaving everybody else's holdings alone. The ability to do so takes away the excuse invoked by the government to freeze everybody's accounts and shut down an entire processor over claims about a few people. Bitcoin is secure in the sense of the stability of the algorithm, and in not being subject to a mass shutdown, as is the case with a web-based processor with a central HQ.
Paypal is Good as long as they are not screwing you but Yes..Paypal screw you for a reason "most of the time" but sometimes we are victim of some chargeback . Using LR was always fun to avoid chargeback. after E-Gold it was Liberty Reserve and after LR whos gonna show the Road? Only Time will say.
If a unknown bank started offering 5% interest right now, then it would be a HYIP, but if its a known bank and just .75% then it wouldnt be a HYIP.
PayPal is very diffferent if we compare witb LR, using paypal you need much personal jnformation and LR asked you none of it. I could suggest you use Perfect money as it is works the same surface like LR worked
paypal is pain in ass. I was more into LR. Its really bad they are not anymore
Such a high interest rates are sign that founders expect for their user base to grow exponentially all the time and cannot be sustained in the real work. It is a cloaked pyramid scheme.
I dare you to start any business and offer interest rates like that.
First of all, I am cryptocurrency supporter and own some of the stuff. Now, governments are not interested in BTC so far, because of it's market size. It is damn to small. They will shutdown some exchanges, but
generally users will be left alone. Governments don't need excuses: they do whatever they want, and count bodies later (prohibition for example).
Now, thinking that some techno innovation will escape their firm grip is not based on a fact:
a) Governments can without problems manufacture BTC ASIC's and overtake the network in a month. I know for certain, that they are able to spend 1 mil USD on developing video overlay chip. If they wanted to make
the fastest BTC ASIC, they are more then capable to do so. Actually, I think they are already mining in limited capacity in order to profit from otherwise untaxable transactions by inducing the artificial inflation to BTC.
b) Full fury of government can only be seen when it happens. Look what happen to LR. Nobody knew it was coming. They had a coordinated action in multiple countries, offline and online.
While I like and support the whole cryptocurrency idea, I urge anyone to be very careful when doing anything related to it and use it as a protocol not as commodity.
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