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Lets kill some Google myth's

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by goinviral, Mar 21, 2012.

  1. goinviral

    goinviral BANNED BANNED

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    Firstly there has been a lot said about the latest message people have been getting in webmaster tools. The infamous "detected unnatural links to WEBSITE " message has got us all spooked. I have had a couple of my smaller sites hit with this and although initially I was worried now it doesn't bother me at all. I have increased my linkbuilding and added content and never bothered to submit a reconsideration and my sites seem to be doing fine. Anyway that is not the point of this post.

    What is the point? Plenty has been said about Google Webmaster Tools and the cons of using it. One thing you seem to hear all the time is don't use it so Google doesn't know what is happening on your site. Well unfortunately this is a complete fallacy! Google still knows what is happening on your site and infact all Google gets from GWT is knowledge of who owns the site and nothing else. All the statistics it gathers about your site it does outside of GWT's anyway. How do they do this?

    Firstly and most important to the above mentioned "unnatural links" webmaster tools message is Googlebot! Googlebot is the little monster that is gathering information about your backlinks. Very little of this is gathered through things like analytics. It is Googlebot that caused all those notices in webmaster tools to be sent out. The thing is if you don't use webmaster tools Google is still gathering this information. Are you going to block Googlebot from coming to your site? Well you can if you don't rely on Google for your traffic, but the vast majority of us that do rely on Google can not block this little monster and anyway it will still work out who is linking to you. This goes on day in day out no matter what you do!

    Secondly Google Chrome! It is now the most popular browser in the world. Yes that is right! Don't believe me? look at statcounter link below.

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    http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser_version-ww-weekly-201202-201211
    If you have ever had a packet sniffer running whilst chrome has been opened on your desktop you will see calls to Google.com even when you are doing nothing. So basically Google chrome is calling back to Google.com every minute or so. More if you start browsing and doing stuff. Yes Google collects this data and yes they know how long people are hanging out on your site for, etc.

    Thirdly those people using firefox but have Google toolbar installed, Well you guys might as well be using chrome because the call backs to Google.com are virtually the same as when using Chrome. So yes Google is collecting that data.

    Fourthly and this is the one most people do not realize is happening. If you are running IE or firefox (and don't have google toolbar installed) but do have Google set as your default browser in the standard toolbar up top. Then yes Google is tracking you also!! There is an easy way to check this. set Bing as your default browser, clear all your cookies, restart firefox, you will see no google cookies set! Now make Google the default browser. clear all cookies restart browser and watch the Google cookies set themselves up on your machine. There are lots of cookie addons for firefox which let you see this.

    However even without Google toolbar, chrome etc etc. Google can still gather statistics about your site and infact this is by far the most prolific method Google has of collecting data about sites. Forget about Google analytics it only adds a small percentage to the usage statistics Google collects (although more accurate and in depth statistics). The way I am talking about is the Google search website itself.

    When a user goes to google.com a cookie is set on the users machine, when the user hits the back button, Google records that as part of bounce rate. If you have Google adsense ads on your site well google can update and check that cookie through the java in the ads. When the person clicks on an ad that is part of bounce rate also. If the person clicks on a link to another site from your site and that new site is using adsense then the whole process continues on the new site. All this data is collected by Google!

    Having adsense ads on your site is just as good as having analytics on your site! Lots of people do not realize this. Most of the data (not all) that is collected by analytics is collected through adsense code also.

    So people what can I say. Google is collecting all this data and more. This data is extremely valuable to them. No other organization in the history of the planet has had as much insight into what people do everyday as Google does. The one thing about all this makes me happy is that I personally feel it is too much information even for Google to analyze properly. As we have seen time and time again some smart person works out a way to game the Google system and appears at the top of "car insurance" or "life insurance" or "credit cards" or something. The time they spend up there is usually fleeting but you hope they banked hard while they were up there.

    One last thing. I know there are a lot smarter people here on BHW that have a better understanding than me and I would really like to hear what they know.
     
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  2. rulez05

    rulez05 Power Member

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    one thing kill google updates running on your pc when you monitor your computer process you can see it on your process running on your pc Then It will disappear few second when your computer fully open I think I't have reason why its always running on computer system to collect some data it usually happen when you set google as your default browser you can use some regedit codes to kill it.
     
  3. goinviral

    goinviral BANNED BANNED

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    Interesting that so many people have been talking about the warning in webmaster tools but not much discussion on how you really got that warning.
     
  4. myelbow4

    myelbow4 Newbie

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    I swear Google is taking over the world.
     
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  5. 2011nfl

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    I don't doubt that one. I converted to chrome. I love it. Its faster, and it autofills almost everything :D
     
  6. blackieman

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    I want to add something for all the "public proxy scrapers" out there.

    So... you think google is not throwing some public proxies your way to check what the heck you are trying to do ? (he he he)
     
  7. Amsterdammer

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    I agree with you completely but Bing for instance does not deliver in searches like Google does.
    Also, I found you can block supercookies, turn off JavaScript, turn off cookies to most sites but you can't go without Google.
    In fact, you can't even post here without accepting the googleapis.com script...

    I use NoScript and am very happy with it. But since I have BHW open and accept the googleapis script, they can still monitor me wherever I go.

    As I said, I agree with you and you taught me something but when it comes to privacy: G man wins. :(
     
  8. Tony Barns

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    Great read very informative. There is no hiding from Google lol
     
  9. blackieman

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    I do my BH access from Firefox using proxies (Bonanza shared). I don't login to google from the same browser. Feel safe.
     
  10. huser21

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    Taking over? Or owns?
     
  11. SEOExpertMaddy

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    You are a genius
     
  12. psytrance

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    I use Opera :)
     
  13. Ignition

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    yes they are getting aur data from picasa also.
     
  14. goinviral

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    yes I am pretty careful about how I do what i do online. However the people going to our websites aren't being careful and that is the problem google is tracking what all those people are doing on and around your site. You might be able to hide somewhat from google but there are billions of people on the web that don't hide and they are the people that are feeding Google the info.


    Feel safe? have a look here for a look at the future, although as has been discussed on BHW before google is probably already using this. tracking your machine without the need for cookies. I personally have many different instances of vmware if I really want to hide properly.

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    http://panopticlick.eff.org/
     
  15. googlemonster

    googlemonster Supreme Member

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    So where is this documented? They track users around the web? I am sure this is illegal in Europe.
     
  16. goinviral

    goinviral BANNED BANNED

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    They track through cookies.. They don't know your name or anything or at least they are not supposed to. However they might if you are logged into your google account. However they do know the sites you visit. When they set a cookie on your machine they give you a number that number is like a unique ID. When you hit a site with adsense code or go back to google or hit a site running analytics these cookies get updated.. SO google has list of sites you visit. A bit like a travel planner for the web. They don't store any personal info but they do track were you are going. I even set these sorts of cookies for my own sites, it isn't hard to do. Back in the old days before "standards" I used to be able to use a cookie to search your hard drive. That has been stamped out now.
     
  17. Amsterdammer

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    Again, I can only agree with you, sadly enough. :(
    Google is so big that they can connect even the missing dots.

    I sometimes try to educate people, most of the time they think I am crazy. They have nothing to hide and it seems I am only making things difficult for myself they say. What evil can come from monitoring people they say.
    As long as this continues, we are all fudged I say.

    Well, there is the privacy waiver since this year? Did you read it?

    And when you know there is something like Stellar Wind, I don't think you need to worry about privacy anymore, or encryption...
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_wind_%28code_name%29
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/“we-a...an-state-big-brother-goes-live-september-2013
    http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech-mainmenu-30/computers/11246-nsas-stellar-wind-cover-is-blown

    I suddenly understand why the Kony 2012 experiment ends by the end of this year...

    Right, back to finding a cheap place for my aluminum foil. :tinfoil3:
     
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  18. ihsan2all

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    So, do you suggest us to remove all about google product?

    How do we get money if so?

    I need chrome for browsing.
    I need Gtalk to chat with my customer.
    I need G Picasa to view my picture.
    I need Google itself to do my task. LOL.
     
  19. manny521

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    Not really possible to get away from google. But, what we all can do is never click on a google adword listing or adsense.

    I know there are not that many of us here in the whole grand scheme of things, but its a small start.

    I used to spend $2000 a month on adwords and I never click on ads b/c I used to pay for these and I sympathize with the site when a degenerate clicker clicks on every ad available.

    Don't be a degenerate clicker! In fact, never click on google ads.

     
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  20. digital_penguin

    digital_penguin Newbie

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    The tracking methods mentioned are well documented and have been reported on by major news outlets millions of times. Just try your search engine of choice. You can also just look up the TOS of the mentioned products.

    They are not illegal under European laws, because the users allowed them. They leave their browsers set to accept cookies from third parties, or opted in to tracking by installing google toolbar/chrome.

    Google did come under heavy fire for bypassing the "do not track" settings in Safari just recently. They claimed it happend only for the convenience of their registered users.