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Lessons Learned and Mistakes to Avoid

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by fbrcold, Jan 16, 2013.

  1. fbrcold

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    Ok everyone, I am going to explain to all of you the downfalls in "doing the right thing". When I started in affiliate marketing I was against so called "black hat" techniques. I always said that I wanted to do the "right thing" in order to build my reputation and make it big. I started in Facebook when people though it was just "a fad" .

    After spending over 250,000 in facebook promoting my apps and pages fbook decided to change their terms on how apps worked. I was making good money. Real good money but I knew, or thought, I had to reinvest that money back in to grow even more. So I did, and after the updates to agreements I got the total screw. Which brings me to my second point. Affiliate Networks. You may think that your AM is your friend while you are making money but I can tell you from experience that I had networks begging me for traffic at one point. When I hit hard times things changed. They changed dramatically.

    Now I am starting to do better again but this time I realized I would never reveal my traffic sources again with my affiliate managers or the networks. Example. One day, when I had an ad running they told me the advertiser needed to see the ad so that I can keep running the offer. I was making about 4000.00 a day with the ad so i said sure. (That was f@cking stupid) 1 damn week later I received an email from the network on my other account showing my ad and telling their top affiliates that they needed to run the offer and showed my ad as an example. WTF?!

    Oh and they say if there is not pics it isn't true so I have attached my stats from one of the networks that don't exist anymore. I can't post the networks i still work with because of stupid terms but what i will tell you is that these stats of 300,000.00 plus was my second lowest network.

    Why am I saying all this?? Because I don't want anyone else to get the wrong idea about "so called" black hat methods. They are used by all the big players in the industry including retail chains like JC Penny, Amazon, Pinterest, and others. If you want respect in the business you just need to make money. Period. I won't go to any more ass kissing affiliate summits or ad techs. They all lie to your face. Trust me they do. So I am doing better now and I will rebuild the empire I lost and I thank Black hat World for opening my eyes once and for all.

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  2. StraightUpLazy

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    First of all, it was hard for my eyes to read the text.

    However, it's sad what happened to you and probably have happened to many people. Always think about yourself and think what's best for you, don't rush things and give up your traffic source or what not. OP's post shows it will turn ugly for you.
     
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    Screenshot too small, can't see a damn thing
     
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    Dude you would NEVER reveal anything to anyone unless it has a court order attached to it. I feel sorry for you BUT you are entirely right. Big game companies, big music companies, big advertisement companies all the way to mcdonalds use SHADY tactics and black hat methods. People always think these businesses are snow white, well they are not. They will cheat, kill, and manipulate to make a extra dollar, so why shouldn't you?
     
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    Amazon is BH too. They don't even want to mount air coolers when temperature hit 40 C (~100F) for their workers(aka cheap labor). Capitalism sucks.
     
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    Of course man, it's all about money these days, most of people don't care about ethics or morality. In fact, those people who teach others to play by rules are the biggest cheaters, they just eliminate rivals this way :)
     
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  7. fbrcold

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    Guys, there is no need to feel bad for me. I didn't put this up for sympathy as I am well on my way to making good money again. I put this up so people getting in the business may be able to learn from stupid sh$t I did. I am not making near what i was but over the last 6 months my income has quadrupled and I plan to keep going. One thing I will add is to never give up. That is the only way to certain failure.
     
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    Actually, capitalism is great. What other system allows you to make a cool $4000 a day as the OP mentioned in his post? But when there's big bucks at play then knives will be drawn to get a slice of the pie - and cut anyone's throat who gets in the way. Anyone who believes otherwise is naive.
     
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    That is so true, I have seen it with my own eyes even with so call friends.
     
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    OP, my dearest fbrcold, you're forgetting a huge mistake you've made and the lesson you haven't learned yet:

    Don't use my avatar.

    I hope by now I'm getting the point across, but I'll keep leaving hints until you get it.

    If you can't be bothered to use one of the generic avatars, or your own, how can anyone believe anything you say? /perfect logic
     
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    Here ya go, now you can be brothers.

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  12. fbrcold

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    LOL is that better for you? :) I am now using both purple and brown
     
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    It's not same if you earn money over the people who are risking serious illness.
     
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    @OP: The stat you attached, was it paid traffic?
     
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    Can't read the damn screenshot. upload another one?

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
     
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    Exactly!

    However I still tend to play fair, but only with good guys. The worst thing here is - you never know... but taking that as an excuse for being a jerk is not acceptable for me.
     
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    That was about a 50/50 mix. Started with paid then was viral. Then FB said I could no longer have invite page on first page of app. That F'd me up and I said ok. They cancelled all my invites. Started again. Grossed about 930,000.00 in total then FB changed the invite system and I never figured the new invites out. Got hit with giant tax bill. Lost all my cash. Started over recently now I just use the fan page with no promotion. Making money again. Not messing with the app until I have enough cash banked this time. Lessons learned. :)
     
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    That network is epic direct aka azoogle, if anyone is wondering.
     
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    Yes it is. They used to be one of the best until they became Epic. Then Shit changed. I did get a nice Christmas Present from them though. az2w.jpg
     
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    you have shared some points that are true facts and happening to every other person trying to make a place in IM