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Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by jonnyxboix, Dec 19, 2010.

  1. jonnyxboix

    jonnyxboix Newbie

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    I am pretty new to the forum. I registered probably a couple days ago and was given this link in a PM from another forum on a thread I started on. I am ranked on page 1 for two of my sites (pretty low competition) so it is nothing amazing, but I'm still not ranked #1 for they keyword I'm targeting.

    I feel like there is something I'm missing out on in the world of SEO. Browsing through this forum has taught me a lot but I still feel like there is more that I'm missing. Is there an ebook or thread to read that you guys would recommend?

    From browsing the forum it seems like its pretty much onsite optimization and then using programs like xrumer to blast your way to #1. Is this pretty much it or am i missing the point?
     
  2. Griggs

    Griggs Junior Member

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    Just keep reading BHW. I've been here for months and I'm still a noob in most people's eyes. You'll never know it all, but you can certainly try. As for ebooks... eh. You'll USUALLY find better info around here. It's all about catching the right threads when they pop up.
     
  3. jonnyxboix

    jonnyxboix Newbie

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    haha yeah I know what you mean about ebooks. I wasn't sure if there were any legit ones out there that don't say the same thing over and over.

    What I like about this forum is it gives you information about everything myths and facts. Other forums are "white hat" and keep saying the same thing over...good content and natural back links. Seems like a load of bull to me.
     
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    aReJay Power Member

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    The first thing you need to learn in On Page SEO, and sadly its the peice of the pie that most people overlook.

    We tell most of our clients that onpage SEO is only about 10% of the overall process, however if that 10% is not perfect then the remaining 90% will only ever get you so far.

    On Page SEO is actually quite easy, Remember 3 points Title -> Headers -> Content

    Dont waste your time and money with Ebooks or Guru courses, Google is the best resource for SEO research.

    Cheers
    aReJay
     
  5. jonnyxboix

    jonnyxboix Newbie

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    OK thanks, I will continue my online researches with SEO.
     
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    johnbly341 Junior Member

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    Check your competitors' backlinks and see if you can get any insight into their off-page SEO strategy. Also try to get some backlinks from the same sites, if at all possible.
     
  7. jonnyxboix

    jonnyxboix Newbie

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    Well it seems I already almost have 3x as much BL as my competitors, but I am still not ranked higher yet. I am only rank #5 while he is around #1 with somewhere around 50 BL.
     
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    -Jericho- Jr. Executive VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    It's likely any issue of quality then. There are a lot of good SEO ebooks in the download section. Look for things like link pyramid, link pushing, mininets, web 2.0, linkwheels, RSS mashups, etc.

    That will help you get a good foundation on what people are doing. XRumer is nice but usually you're not going to blast your way to the top with it.
     
  9. jonnyxboix

    jonnyxboix Newbie

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    I think I understand the basic concepts of most of what you listed except link pushing and RSS mashups. Most of his links are profile links, forum signatures, and ezine articles. I really don't see any signs of link pyramids or link wheels of any sort. Honestly, this guy seems like a bigger noob than me. The only thing he had that I don't have is that he started attacking this niche a couple months before I even realized what SEO was. I started about 3 months ago.

    Actually...I just realized one of his ezine article is a PR3. Does that mean hes been building backlinks to that article to increase the benefits of his link juice? From what I've read on DP is ezine no longer lets you build backlinks to their articles? err or am I completely off
     
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    hardinflash Regular Member

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    You want to build links to your site, then build links to those links and then build links to those links etc. Just make sure you have the keyword in your title, content, kws and url. Then start building your links.
     
  11. GreyWolf

    GreyWolf Executive VIP Jr. VIP

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    That isn't actually "a load of bull." The "white hat" forums that preach "good content and natural back links" are correct, it's just not the end of the story.

    Good Content
    You have to remember "good" is a relative term. The white hat forums want you to believe that good content is original and unique content that will engage your visitors to make them want to return to your page and recommend your site to their friends.

    Good luck with that!! LOL

    Actually, even if you do have good content by that definition you still need to get visitors to find you. You still want to show up in the serps when people search for terms related to your website. If everyone else is trying to have "original and unique content" then what is it that will make the search engines think your content is better than the rest.

    Read the reply aReJay made again. That's some really good advice. As far as SEO is concerned "good content" means pages that have been optimized for SEO as much as possible. You can read the Basic SEO practices for newbies thread in the White Hat SEO forum to get a good idea where to start with onpage SEO. Then continue browsing the WhiteHat SEO and BlackHat SEO forums to learn even more.​

    Natural back links.
    There's a lot to this idea, it's actually what the Google algorithm was designed to measure. Natural backlinks are great, but they're also impossible to control. You can make a website with the best content you can and still people might not start making links. Natural backlinks are about the most unreliable thing you could ever count on, and yet that's what your told you need to get.

    Good luck with that too! LOL

    A natural backlink would be something like Joe Smith in Arizona has a blog on the same topic as your website, he see's your website, likes it, and posts an article on his blog with a backlink to your site. That isn't something you can control, but You can actually go to a free blog site, make up a name like Joe Smith in Arizona, create a blog on the same topic as your website, then post an article on that blog linking back to your main website. The best thing is that Google can't actually tell the difference between those two backlinks.

    So it turns out you're in luck. It actually is possible to get natural backinks, or at least simulate that you have natural backlinks. Now to do that on a large scale involves some work. Google does want natural backlinks so you need to make sure that even on a large scale they appear to be natural. If you want some ideas on how to do that go read SEO - Understanding the Simulation thread. Then continue reading through the forums for advice on how to get the various different types of backlinks.​

    So what those other "white hat" forums don't tell you... is that you can actually simulate "good content and natural back links" and Google won't know the difference. Do a good enough job at it and you'll leave the sites those guys are making in the dust.
     
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  12. jonnyxboix

    jonnyxboix Newbie

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    Oh I see, I will begin reading those two threads you suggested and see what I can incorporate.
     
  13. GreyWolf

    GreyWolf Executive VIP Jr. VIP

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    Those threads are just the basic idea of what you want to do. Be sure to take the ideas from them and then look for all the different methods to implement then.

    You can browse for threads that that tell you how to build backlinks yourself, or check out bst threads offering services to do the jobs for you.

    Remember don't limit yourself - BHW is a great resource, but you should also look for additional information and ideas by just doing searches on Google. Find the methods on BHW and then search Google for the tools you need to accomplish your goals.
     
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