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Lead Net pro ??

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by jujubee3422, Jan 4, 2011.

  1. jujubee3422

    jujubee3422 Power Member

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    Anyone know about this ??

    My friend and I saw this online. And it seems like it could work, its just a big harvester to get leads from CL, backpage and you can sell the system to people or sell the leads.

    Anyone have experience with leadnetpro ?
     
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    Nice, way to answer the question so that non-jr-VIPs can't benefit.
     
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  4. jujubee3422

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    anybody can explain what leadnetpro can do ? (grab email ? send email or what ...) ?

    Thank you
     
  6. cbeachbum

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    leadnet pro was a scrapper/extractor, emailer and phone broadcaster all in one.

    The just discontinued the emailer application because of spam complaints from justhost their main host.

    If you are going to spam do not use this service they will shut down your account. (actually you can't spam with the software anymore they don't have a emailer) you need to set up your own hosted emailer

    They teach a reverse marketing system.

    1. send bulk email messages to the extracted emails
    Important: this message does not have any links or product promotion in it.
    This message is to ask people (mlmer's) about their business. Like you are interested in joining.

    2. then those who respond to your message about you wanting more information on their business gets another response about how you are looking for something that will work with your "marketing software"

    3. then those who respond to that message will ask you what your marketing system is then you send them a link to the landing page.

    this way you are not spamming they are asking for the info and you have proof through the threaded email conversation that they asked for it and no host will shut you down for spamming when they see the email conversation.

    If you want to use it as a phone broadcaster or extractor it is the best I've seen.
    for pulling emails and phone numbers.

    they just did a beta test where the owner pulled 19k ph numbers in 4 minutes.
    usable numbers no duplicates.

    i am a reseller and you need to purchase through a distributor so if you are interested i will send you my affiliate link if you pm me.
     
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    It wouldnt really be smart for anyone to completely explain what they do in here, (granted this is a site to help make money) but there have been several techniques and softwares shut down and ran out of business because of spys who know about us. Even cbeachbum may have said a little too much. The best I can say, is that is definately worth the investment. And as for sharing info in here, some things is ok, but others are best left unspoke of. And speaking of not saying things publicly, can someone please pm me and let me know what a good marketing emailer is lol, seriously I need one :D
     
  8. cbeachbum

    cbeachbum Registered Member

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    2011nfl:
    Because LNP shut down the emailer I am looking into a few as we speak.

    So far I found what looks to be a good one but expensive. There's another one that's under a hundred bucks. I will let you know more once I have tested it.

    I want to be clear on a couple of things...

    I'm talking about about hosted bulk emailing software, not client-side, desktop software you install and run on your computer.

    The problem with hosted emailers is that you can get your account shut-down by the host. So you need a good host that doesn't break the bank and caters to emailers.

    LNP has discontinued it's emailer because people were not following the instructions and their host shut them down because of all the spam complaints from those abusing the system.

    Now (LNP) offers free hosting and set-up (installation) of the software on their new host. This is for the extractor (which rocks!) and the phone broadcasting platform, not emailing.

    Before you needed to install the software on your own host at your own expense. And they would install it for you for like $25 bucks. (really not hard to do yourself but you don't even need to do that anymore as it now comes with the software).

    But...

    Now you need to find your own emailer and a hosting account to install it on. Presuming you want to use a hosted emailer and not run the software on your computer.

    Here's the thing...

    LNP is now only an extractor and phone broadcaster.

    You won't find a better extractor and they are always working on upgrades. It's very accurate and extremely fast.

    What's important to note here on this forum is determining what you want to do with this data once you extract it.

    You must first determine your plan of attack before you can determine what type of emailer and hosting you will want to get.

    If you follow the type of marketing strategy he teaches at LNP you can use a relatively inexpensive hosted emailer (like i'm looking into right now, under a hundred bucks) and host.

    Because you won't technically be spamming. And if you get any complaints you can prove (to your host) that you didn't spam them and you had every right to send them the email you did.

    Now if you want to email blast blatant sales messages/links etc. then you need to use a totally different type of hosting platform. The kind where the host doesn't care if they get complaints because they cater to the mass emailers. This generally comes with a price. You are paying for them to disregard complaints and not shut you down. These hosts are hard to find because they get put on blacklists.

    Then there are free emailing clients. gogllee docs outlook etc. These cap the amount of emails you are allowed to send per day or per hour. If you are serious and want to send more that 500 emails you will need a paid version.

    If you do not send blatant sales pitches and use the marketing techniques like they teach at LNP you can do this without spending a lot of cash.

    For example, I found a host that caters to emailers. Hosting on hostgator and godaddy and others like it dramatically reduce the number of emails you can send. These are not good options for serious emailers.

    The host I'm using gives me a 20,000 emails per day limit. I can go up from there but the price goes up too. At 20k per day it's only $25 a month. Not bad. It's not $5 or $10 a month but those hosts are not emailer friendly.

    50k is $50 a mo. 75k is $75 a mo. and 100k is 100 a month.

    Now I got some quotes from members here and they are as follows:

    $250 a month for 300k emails per day

    $99 a month for 50k emails per day

    The difference is how you are going to market to these lists. If you are going to hit them up with links to your websites in the first email they get from you and they haven't opted into your list then you will not want to use the host that I'm using. You will want to use one of the services of the members here who understand your needs. You will pay a little more but that's the price for what you want to do if that's your marketing strategy.

    I'm not listing the members usernames on here because I don't know if they want there prices posted. If you pm me I will put you in contact with them and you can ask them any questions you may have about their services.

    To recap:

    I'm using a marketing strategy that does not involve email blasting messages containing my links (I start a conversation with them first, it's more work but it 100% legal- pm me if you want me to explain further)

    To do this I use the LNP software (hosted on the "free" hosting account that comes with it) to scrap/extract thousands of emails with a click of my mouse.

    Then I use a separate emailer hosted on another host that let's me send more emails then the recommended (by LNP) amount which is only about 350 an hour. I can send 20k a day.

    The emailer I'm testing is under a hundred bucks. The supposedly better one runs around $200. (This is a one time cost- you buy the software and install it on your host.)

    Then the host is $25 a month unless you want to email more than that.

    If you just want to blast your links you will not want this option.

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    Now, 2011nfl...

    I'm not sure what you mean when you say that I may have said too much.

    Are you talking about giving away the marketing strategies or explaining too much... so that people will use the strategies then get LNP shut down or blacklisted, like a very popular service on this forum just got blacklisted?


    They (LNP) already got shut down by their host and now they shut down the emailing portion of the software. So no matter how much "I give away" here it won't hurt or get LNP banned or put on any blacklists or get their hosting shut down because they aren't associated with emailing any longer, just extracting.

    They only supply software for extracting not emailing, that's up to the user... to find hosting and emailing software to send their messages to the emails they find using LNP.

    If I'm off base here please let me know. I' not really sure what you meant. I know it was only in a helping manner.

    bb

    PS Wow I can really ramble on. Too much coffee.

    PPS. Gotta take the beach cruiser out, it's packed at the beach today.
     
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    PM SENT !!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Hey , Lots of good info..I have been researching LNP and have talked with many people trying to sell it to me. I want to buy but have been waiting to purchase from someone who uses it rather than just a reseller. I too am a newbie and cannot PM have made a few posts and will continue to do so over the next few days.
     
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    Well think I will wait this one out , I had a use for LNP . What concerns me also is that it is web based . If they are under investigation ? What happens to customers that do purchase the program ? They are out the $400 and the service is no longer useful ? Or is it just the dialer .. I am definately confused
     
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    I'm not sure what you are talking about when you reference the "investigation". The link provided doesn't go to a page. Here's what it says,

    "No Thread specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the administrator"

    I'm not sure what they would be investigating.

    I know there was one complaint online from someone who couldn't figure out how to set it up.

    This person wanted his money back because he didn't know how to follow simple instructions.

    This is no longer a problem because the company now installs the software for you on a host they include as part of the software.

    They discontinued the emailer portion of the software so "they" (leadnetpro) won't have to worry about people spamming with the software and having problems with their hosting any longer.

    If you are going to email the leads you "pull" with the software. You will need to secure hosting and emailing software yourself, either on your own computer or online through a "hosted" application.

    I don't know how they would get "shut down" and you would be out your money because you own the software. They are not doing anything wrong. Of the 3,600 owners of the software a few were not following instructions and got accused of spamming. This is why they don't offer emailing through the software any longer, this way if you spam you get shut down from your host it doesn't have anything to do with them any longer.

    There's lot's of misinformation floating around I hope I helped clear up a few things here. Please let me know what else I can explain if there is anything else that doesn't make sense to anyone.

    bb
     
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    Thanks for replying, Yes your post was very helpful! I am trying to find a niche to make a few $$ online. Yes I would like to make a living at it but understand I need to start out slow and work my way into something that works for me. I am an old school eBayer and made alot of money selling items from estates here in Maine. I would purchase entire contents from a house and sell it thru various venues.

    I have some experience with selling real estate , cars , tlemarketing , and real jobs too . Iron worker , carpenter , medical field ect. I am 48 years old and am now a single dad raising a little boy on my own with no help.

    That being said I am ready to take a serious approach to some type of internet marketing / sales / email / affiliate and with all the demand would even consider some type of adult content.

    I am at the point of having to do something .... But as small as $400 was to me a year ago it is alot now.

    I feel your comment about LNP is right on target. Power in the wrong hands can create issues for the product.

    I have a basic idea how the system works and how useful the information is to some and how selling it can be benificial as well.

    I would take full advantage of taking the time to "work' the program and learn the techniques . Some sellers are offering to mentor and follow up on the use of the product . This would be helpful for me. Are you offering any follow up and holding to it ? Or are you just selling the product ?

    Thanks For The Useful Info
     
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    Yes I would help you with anything you need.

    There is a ton of training in the back office with videos.

    They post all the weekly webinars too.

    Right now I'm working on finding the best mass mailing options
    for people as they do not offer that service through LNP any longer.

    Let me know what else i can do for you.

    You can pm me and I will give you my email if you like.
     
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    HI, can anyone give me an example on how I can use LNP for my life insurance business? I also have a silent ownership position in a roofing company. I would be interested in purchasing something like this if i can use it to build my existing businesses. Thanks in advance.
     
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    Could you PM me the emailer info? 20K emails per day is more than plenty for me...for now. Actually, anything over 5K/day would work. I've been looking around for a decent one so any info you have on the ones you have tried is appreciated. I can't PM you yet because I don't have enough posts.
     
  18. cbeachbum

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    The emailers I was looking at include Atomic AMS, jmailer and listnetpro.

    There are many others I eliminated for various reasons, price and limitations.

    I really liked Atomic but they are a desktop solution and you will need to rotate IP's or SMTP's which is an added expense higher learning curve.

    Jmailer allows up to 8k a day but they only let you set it up on one domain or host.

    Listnetpro is looking like the winner right now. I'm going to be honest and tell you that I have not purchased this yet. I already have an emailer that is sold out. I'm looking for something I can recommend to my clients.

    Listnetpro is software you install on a host and they do not limit the number of domains you can install it on. (you only need one license) and it's only $80 and they do not have monthly or ongoing fee's.

    Now I'm still looking for hosting. It looks like setting up a VPS is the best solution but I can't find any cheap one's.

    Shared hosting has too many stipulations.
    Read this thread:
    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/email-marketing-opt-lists/293063-do-i-need-vps-will-hostgator-shared-account-work-10k-day-atomic.html

    Be sure to read Spamcan's post about Hostgator shared hosting it shows how they really feel about emailing that you won't even find in their TOS!

    I will let you know when I know something else.
     
  19. cbeachbum

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    The problem is if you scrap emails then just send a UCE (unsolicited commercial email) you are spamming.

    How the LNP "marketing system" is taught to be used is to email people who are advertising their businesses online. You would be emailing them about THEIR business. Then inside the email conversation (at least 3 emails) you mention your marketing (still without providing a link or any promotional type of content).

    Wait for them to ask you about what you are doing.

    Then you can send them the link.

    I'm not sure how you could use this with those type of businesses. You need to think outside the box.

    Here's what I would say to get you thinking about how you could approach perspective clients.

    First and foremost you want to target your list. Pick a type of business that you want to go after. What type of business would be your best clients?

    Then you want to find some news about their industry or about your industry and how it's affecting their industry. Or better yet some sort of public service announcement or warning of a scam that's "taking" said type of businesses for a ride.

    Let's use your roofing company as an example.

    Pick the type of businesses in a specific city that need new roofs. Let's just say lawyers (I have no idea if this is the right type of biz, it's just an example that's where you have to do some research).

    Next you right a report or public service message about how roofers are ripping off lawyers (probably not a good example because who would be that stupid, but again this is where you have to figure out what the "rip-off" report is about).

    Then you send them an email. Very targeted, mentioning lawyers and mentioning the city.

    Then in your free report you tell them of the scams and how to avoid them. Also mention if they would like a good roofer, here's one you should look at and why. Provide references and stories of people who got ripped off and how happy they were that xyz roofing come out and fixed the problem.

    Something like that. Think about the approach and don't do what everyone else is doing.

    "10% off all roofing this week only!"

    Don't be like everyone else.

    Hope this gets your creativity rollin'.

    The developer of this software is using it in a very unique way to build his own ad agency. I never would have thought of this myself and it really gets you to see that their are an unlimited number of ways to use this software.

    I don't have time to explain that here but I will post it later so subscribe to this post and come back soon.

    If you have any other questions about LNP let me know. PM me and I will swap emails if you prefer that.
     
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    Cbeahcbum,

    Thank you very much for the response and ideas. In regards to the insurance business, I work with small business owners selling life insurance and commercial business policies.

    If I were to target, say restaurant owners, would I be able to lead in with an email saying:

    Hello, my name is Frank Rodriguez and I have been working with restaurant associations in the Chicago area and have found that business insurance rates have been rising for restaurant owners in your area. Has this been the case with your business?

    For the roofing:

    Hello, my name is Frank Rodriguez and I am working with homeowners in the Chicago area that were affected by the recent hail storm. Do you know if your roof or siding were damaged by this storm?

    Also, does voice broadcasting fall under the same scrutiny?

    I don't think I can PM you because I am still a new user. Any comments would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!

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