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Just why SEO is dead

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by xinga, Jun 16, 2017.

  1. xinga

    xinga Regular Member

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    I agree, the title is a bit lame, but I stumbled across an interesting article naming the best channels to drive "massive" traffic.
    http://billwidmer.com/best-marketing-channels/

    why is it interesting? because I feel it pretty much sums up the current state of the SEO industry.
    There's a bunch of socially inept losers running their mailing list and baiting poor desperate people starting with IM into buying their useless webinars. And from there they draw conclusions how SEO and IM in general works.

    The funniest part. They talk about massive traffic, only mention SEO and, except for one of these 30 people, none of them really has massive traffic.
     
  2. Reaver

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    I never even got past the panel.

    One of those guys is calling himself a "Change Evangelist."

    I'm done.
     
  3. NeverQuestionMe

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    Let me tell you something, and open your ears wide and long.

    SEO is not Dead!

    In fact, is alive and kicking, and it still works.

    You just need to listen to all the people that have short attention span that never get past the "panel" and are only searching for keywords to summarize a ton of info they can't process on their tiny brains.

    Those people are filled with nuggets, some even might tell you that "copyright" skills is all you need to make SEO works. However, last time I checked the same people that make fun of these people throwing SEO webinars, are the same that aren't even known for any kind of SEO. So , yes SEO still works but I wouldn't listen to anyone that is doing "copyright" as a living instead of someone doing actual "SEO". Difference is that one is a freelancer with no business acumen and the other is a real serial entrepreneur working out how the algorithm works.
     
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  4. loedown

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    It's not dead, it's just a lot harder than spamming blogs for backlinks and setting up pbns now.
     
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  5. curiouskt

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    wow, steady on there buddy, that was a bit of a pointed argument towards @alwaysinvisible
    SEO is much broader than that, although to be fair, Brian Dean is on that list of contributors
    (I really like him)
    many others are indeed snake-oil salespersons

    /2c
     
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    People have been saying SEO is dead for as long as SEO has been a thing.
     
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    stevenjcolwell Registered Member

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    It's not dead you just need some skill in SEO these days.
     
  8. NeverQuestionMe

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    Copyrighters can be snake oils too, tons of them claim they are making $10k per job. Why wouldn't I think of them as snake oils if they write sales copy that are essentially bluff filled with a ton of snake oil? You sound like @alwaysinvisible is the apple of your eye.
     
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    "However, last time I checked the same people that make fun of these people throwing SEO webinars, are the same that aren't even known for any kind of SEO"

    What exactly did you check?
     
  10. curiouskt

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    lol, issues much??

    btw, how could she be the apple of my eye? She is always invisible:p :D
     
  11. xinga

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    while I'd agree, the whole point of this thread was: SEO ist not dead, but if you follow the same old regurgitated advice from seo gurus without traffic, knowledge and just a couple of webinars on sale, yes it might just as well be dead ;-)

    Besides, what I find the most hilarious: These guys with their paltry 50 hits a day on their "lead generators" are talking about the strength of SEO, when the article is about traffic, and any kiddo with half a brain between his nuts can drive more and better-targeted traffic via any social (book marketing) channel.
     
  12. Reaver

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    Wow. You went through all that just to tell someone you don't even know to shut the fuck up.

    Who do you think is writing these blogs, courses and other material you read for these people?

    Copywriters.

    Who do you think writes the sales pages that gets people to buy into this shit?

    Copywriters.

    That means copywriters know SEO more than the people calling themselves "change evangelists."

    You obviously have no idea about how this guru shit works so let me break it down for you: these people do not write their own material. They pay people like me to do it.

    So those nuggets you find in their posts? They're written by people like me, who actually know SEO, help these assholes build their audience and sell their hyped up shit to the public.

    That means my business is more than sustainable, it's evergreen. As long as man exists they will always need someone to write for them.

    Pull your head out of your ass and try again.

    Oh, and next time you want to go off on me, do a spell check first. It's "copywrite," not "copyright."

    Get your frontal lobe checked peon.
     
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    colineastman Newbie

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    Hahaha. Every time I see the "SEO is dead" noise growing, it just means that SEO is working better than ever. That actual article is pretty well done SEO wise (It even has an AMP version).
     
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    I was reading this thread all like what the fuck are these people talking about with the word "copyright":D
     
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    He thinks I'm stealing stuff I guess.

    Who knows. He's the one with the problem, not me.
     
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    yee OP there are a lot of scammers in seo industry like wtf.
     
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    I listen to these talking heads with a grain of salt

    I've done the work over the years and spent a lot of time on this

    when I see anything I have not done, I try it out

    if it works, then it works for me
    otherwise what works for one does not always work for someone else

    pretty simple concept

    SEO is pretty much the same

    I've found over the years things use to be simple with Google when it was a mathematical algorithm life was simple

    now its more complicated

    I look at each keyword, topic, niche, market case by case
    I find Google reacts differently for each
     
  18. dryitnowok

    dryitnowok Newbie

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    SEO isnt and never will be dead.
     
  19. drey2k

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    It's not dead but don't expect to be a millionaire with SEO alone unless you have a super website which will likely take a staff of people... not something you can do alone.
     
  20. xinga

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    True, the post itself is actually not bad. Just the content itself. Note: The post was about traffic, not SEO!!!.

    Seriously, it's 2017 and if you are just talking about Google when it comes to traffic you sort of missed the developments of the past 5 years Sure, people still google a lot. The question is just - which part of that traffic is actually open to you as a guy with a website that isn't wikipedia, reddit, yahoo, amazon or pornhub. And if you compare that to the traffic that is open to you via new, not as saturated channels (flipboard, pinterest, etc), you might notice, that these channels are actually offering the better bang for your buck (by a factor of 10).

    also, from a more scientific point of view, it's a bit questionable when you draw all your conclusions from one specific niche - especially one like SEO, where all search queries are done by super targeted business users (as opposed to your average consumer who might eventually feel like getting that tight sweater if you ask him pretty please).
     
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