Just how useful are these tools in 2012?

Hey Guys,

As some of you may know from my other posts I am looking to start ranking a few of my sites using either whitehat or blackhat methods.

I've been looking around and the sheer number of 'tools' you can buy that claim to rank your site is impressive, yet do any of them actually work following all the google updates?

I've been looking at things such as SENuke X and a few others but just how successful are they? Is it a case that the google updates have just rendered these softwares useless?

BHP

There isn't any tool that will instantly boost you to #1.

Almost all these tools are good in one way or another, but you should know how to use them efficiently.

The best way would be to combine couple of these tools and create backlinks on different platforms, diversifying the anchor text (this is important for the latest G update).

layout a plan first and then go for the tools which will help you in implementing your plan.

there not useless you just can't just do one click blasts anymore i'll give you a run down of what i'm using at the min and how.

think seo tools as a hammer everyone needs one in there toolbox but they can cause destruction if not used correctly.

senuke

still useful but i for me it can't be your only backlinking tool the reason i still use it 1.it's easy to set up 2.it comes on one of my vps.
3.its a good updater for web2.0s

example of how i have used it in the last month
tier one backlink for a couple of sites web2.0 and social bookmarks and articles.
the web2.0 are at least three pages before i put my content linking to money site on and are spun content but unique and readable with pictures and videos were required.
projects run for a about 20 days i am also selective were i post to for example if my site is about dogs i'm not going to post to a engagement web2.0.

i realise the new senuke is out soon and i would probably use it more my only gripe is adding your own sites is no where as good and simple as other tools.

magic submitter
for nearly everywhere senuke can't great tool people have gripes about having to update there own sites its really not that difficult.

example of how i have used it in the last month
posting to videos,docs,wikis etc the great thing is instead of spending time creating one web2.0
find a platform and it's footprint create a parent service scrape for related unspammed sites job done.
i also use this for tier two due to level of diversity of sites you can have.

i will probably move over to this as my main tool once i buld in a lot of sites.

scrapbox
this and xrunner used to be my tier two not so much anymore. but it's such a great tool i use it daily for scraping,backlink checking etc.

gsa search engine ranker
at first i didn't see the need for this tool a could do pretty much most of the stuff using magic etc. but after reading the thread and how much support it gets and how it's being developed i decided to give it a go and couldn't be happier.

how i have used it in the last month
tier 1 -diversity and random type of backlinks coming in i have it set pretty tight to the quality of backlink coming in.
tier2+3 - i think heavy use of scrapebox and xrummer on one day blasts just isn't clever anymore i realise this still can work but i choose not to. just because it's not your money site doesn't mean you can go mad(in my opion)

i have many other tools but this is just what i have used in the last month as part of my automated backlinking zennoposter is worth a mention if no of the above can zennoposter usually can!

now on to the disclaimer automated tools play a part in my backlinking stratergy but there no way just what i do.
it just enables me to backlink several sites at once and concentrate most of my time on gaining other quality backlinks such as guest post's ,paid reviews(carefully selected),press releases,yahoo answers etc.

if you asked me in twelve months what tools i was using and how it would probably be very diffrent.

hope this was helpful

Following up with what the first two posters said, a TOOL is a LINK in your CHAIN OF ACTIONS that bring you to MEETING YOUR OBJECTIVE.

In short,

OBJECTIVE FIRST
THEN PLAN
FINALLY CHOOSE YOUR TOOLS

As useful as its user.

BHPlatinum said:

Hey Guys,

As some of you may know from my other posts I am looking to start ranking a few of my sites using either whitehat or blackhat methods.

I've been looking around and the sheer number of 'tools' you can buy that claim to rank your site is impressive, yet do any of them actually work following all the google updates?

I've been looking at things such as SENuke X and a few others but just how successful are they? Is it a case that the google updates have just rendered these softwares useless?

BHP

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Another tool is the forums "search function" where you will find this same dull question has been asked many many times..almost daily.

All tools that post links still post link
Links still are a major part of SEO
Most people use these tools BADLY (VERY badly) and then blame them "A bad workman blames his......"

If you are wondering whether a tool that makes links is useful in SEO - I suggest you need to learn SEO before you buy any tools.
It will prevent the asking (and repeated ad nauseum asking) af this same question over and over again.

Not wanting to rag on anyone. But learn SEO before you buy tools
Use the search function PLEASE.

Scritty

At the moment I am using GSA and Scrapebox and they work great!

Tools are useless to people who don't know how to use them PROPERLY (99% of them).

verial said:

Following up with what the first two posters said, a TOOL is a LINK in your CHAIN OF ACTIONS that bring you to MEETING YOUR OBJECTIVE.

In short,

OBJECTIVE FIRST
THEN PLAN
FINALLY CHOOSE YOUR TOOLS

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Yep, definitely. Scrapebox is great for everything other than what it was originally built for. I use it more as a utility than a link builder. Alive checks, index checks, scraping links from pages, email scraping. It's still a great tool, even if the posting is a waste of time now (I know some will say no, but believe me better ROIs are to be found!), and the scraping can't compete with HRefer.

SeNukeX is still really good. SO many people complain about it, but it's because they don't know how to either use it, or newer SEO concepts surrounding tier one content.

Scritty said:

Another tool is the forums "search function" where you will find this same dull question has been asked many many times..almost daily.

If you are wondering whether a tool that makes links is useful in SEO - I suggest you need to learn SEO before you buy any tools.
It will prevent the asking (and repeated ad nauseum asking) af this same question over and over again.

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With the recent update Google made this week things may have been mixed up. I know that backlinks are an essential part of SEO yet if these tools are producing poor quality or questionable backlinks then its not going to help at all. Seeing as google updates constantly its rather pointless using the 'search' function to read a thread thats 2-3 years old.

Everyone else, thank you for your constructive feedback. I'm not expecting to use these tools and jump to 1st position in G.com, I currently have 2 sites both lurking around position 30-40 but i'd like to push them up to be in the top 8 and wondered how useful these tools would be to me.

seo tools are made to help you to accomplish your target ... still none of them will have any magic button '' make moneys '' ... you have to figure yourself how seo works , what works for you and such things ... test & test .... and find your '' way '' .

They're not as good, but they're still very, very useful.

BHPlatinum said:

With the recent update Google made this week things may have been mixed up. I know that backlinks are an essential part of SEO yet if these tools are producing poor quality or questionable backlinks then its not going to help at all. Seeing as google updates constantly its rather pointless using the 'search' function to read a thread thats 2-3 years old.

Everyone else, thank you for your constructive feedback. I'm not expecting to use these tools and jump to 1st position in G.com, I currently have 2 sites both lurking around position 30-40 but i'd like to push them up to be in the top 8 and wondered how useful these tools would be to me.

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Individually each link can be seen as positive. That is and should remain the default position
En masse, a campaign of links can/may have a detrimental affect on your site

Google has NO WAY of knowing whether a link is manual or automated. Whether it is made with good intent by an individual or by a tool spamming. This applies to every platform and every niche.

However, if you use a tool irresponsibly (which 99% of people do) you will create a footprint or likely over optimize for certain keyphrases or use certain platforms disproportionately.
That will be the users fault and not the fault of a tool
All tools that create links are still fine if used correctly and configured to conform with current best practice.
If you use the methods of 2011 you will likely fail - but that's not the tools fault.

A better question wqould be "What's the best way of using link making tools now"
The question you ask has been repeated many many times very recently - and I still advise using the search function.

As for Google changes last week - Google change every day. Tiny tweaks in the algo happen almost hourly somewhere and to someone. Last weeks changes were pretty insignificant for the vast majority. Major projects like the Panda and Penguin scans are done periodically to clear out specific issues (PR farms and over optimization respectively) there are many others with names going back 12 years. It never ends, but at some point you have to jump on the bus and go with current best practice. Google NEVER stops changing, if you wait until you are "certain" of something - you will never start.

"A bad workman always blames his tools"... in SEO never was a truer word spoken.

Scritty

Scritty said:

Individually each link can be seen as positive. That is and should remain the default position
En masse, a campaign of links can/may have a detrimental affect on your site

Google has NO WAY of knowing whether a link is manual or automated. Whether it is made with good intent by an individual or by a tool spamming. This applies to every platform and every niche.

However, if you use a tool irresponsibly (which 99% of people do) you will create a footprint or likely over optimize for certain keyphrases or use certain platforms disproportionately.
That will be the users fault and not the fault of a tool
All tools that create links are still fine if used correctly and configured to conform with current best practice.
If you use the methods of 2011 you will likely fail - but that's not the tools fault.

A better question wqould be "What's the best way of using link making tools now"
The question you ask has been repeated many many times very recently - and I still advise using the search function.

As for Google changes last week - Google change every day. Tiny tweaks in the algo happen almost hourly somewhere and to someone. Last weeks changes were pretty insignificant for the vast majority. Major projects like the Panda and Penguin scans are done periodically to clear out specific issues (PR farms and over optimization respectively) there are many others with names going back 12 years. It never ends, but at some point you have to jump on the bus and go with current best practice. Google NEVER stops changing, if you wait until you are "certain" of something - you will never start.

"A bad workman always blames his tools"... in SEO never was a truer word spoken.

Scritty

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Any chance you could recommend an excellent book on seo? Thanks.

9to5destroyer said:

magic submitter
for nearly everywhere senuke can't great tool people have gripes about having to update there own sites its really not that difficult.

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This is why I don't like MS. You pay $67/mo for it and you are expected to updated any of the 2,000+ sites it supports in the event it stops working for whatever reason. Err... isn't that why I'm paying a monthly fee for it in the first place?

I would love to be trained in how to use these products, the bhsvps packages would be great.....if I had a scooby doo how to work them

swi7ch said:

This is why I don't like MS. You pay $67/mo for it and you are expected to updated any of the 2,000+ sites it supports in the event it stops working for whatever reason. Err... isn't that why I'm paying a monthly fee for it in the first place?

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it's often a simple fix and not very painful its very rare a site will change it's structure in such a way that you will have to start from fresh.

it's often the verifcation text(to check a account has been created/posted) that changes which is a very easy fix

danmyson said:

I would love to be trained in how to use these products, the bhsvps packages would be great.....if I had a scooby doo how to work them

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You only need two things:

1) YouTube
2) A brain

9to5destroyer said:

it's often a simple fix and not very painful its very rare a site will change it's structure in such a way that you will have to start from fresh.

it's often the verifcation text(to check a account has been created/posted) that changes which is a very easy fix

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YouTube in MS uses an obsolete registration system. 80% of the fields are no longer there so MS can't register to it.

WordPress does not allow hyphens in the subdomain name which fails on MS 100% of the time.

These are just two examples off teh top of my head and these two are very big sites that should be working everytime. I don't care if it takes me 1s or 1hr to update a site. What I care about is I'm paying $67/mo and the dev expects me to update whatever site isn't working myself. So basically I'm paying for UBot or ZennoPoster with a monthly fee.

SENukeX or UlimateDemon fixes non-working sites and do not expect their users to do so. They have a right to charge me per month since they're doing the work for me.