Here is the issue -
I ordered 8 PBN posts with monthly subscription on DEc 27th paying around $90.
I paid $96 for content for 8 PBN posts on dec 27th or 28th.
my pbn posts are scheduled from Jan 14th to Jan 21st.
On Feb 14th renewed my 8 pbn posts by paying around $90.
On 15th i sent following message to the seller -
Its been one month since i ordered.
I got billed for second month.
I dint see any improvement in rankings or traffic.
Does it take more time to see the results?
Did all the posts got crawled by Google?
Would you advice me to stop subscription if i don't see results later also?
this is the answer i got from the seller
Yeah it's best to cancel. If the results aren't what you expected, I always advise clients to cancel and try another service.
If you'd like I can refund the payment that's just come off and remove your links immediately for you.
Your site has been dropping since the 4th of Dec update, so expecting it to go from dropping rapidly to an increase in less than 4 weeks is unreasonable expectations. Your FIRST link dripped on the 14th of Jan, with the final one dripping on the 21st. So it's been about 2 weeks since all your links have been live and indexed. So really, you are expecting results in 2 weeks, and I'm afraid SEO just does not work like that. Even if your site wasn't dropping, it's still unreasonable to expect much of an increase that quickly.
It's a complete waste of time to bother renting good links for 4 weeks, but if money is an issue I'm happy to just refund you and remove the links now. There's no point in us both wasting our time.
You actually have had increases in rankings btw.
I am not not going to bother showing you though, as I really dislike when clients complain after 4 weeks, especially when they aren't even properly tracking their keywords. And on top of that your site has now gone from decreasing, to a slight increase, but expecting a large increase in traffic and broad keywords after this amount of time is just beyond unreasonable.
my answer again -
Hmm, you got wrong impression of my questions.
Never expected this type of reply from you who always try to help people with there informative posts about SEO etc and kind of care you take of your clients websites.
1)Your site has been dropping since the 4th of Dec update
yes, I had drop but not drastic drop. Before drop website was getting 1200 visitors/day.
After the drop i am getting 1000 visitors/day.
2) so expecting it to go from dropping rapidly to an increase in less than 4 weeks is unreasonable expectations.
I never
yes, i accept what you said but It din't drop rapidly.
Before i got rebilled this month only i know that i din't saw improvement.
I din't cancelled my subscription because i felt i need to see one more month before seeing results.
you yourself said in one of the posts in the sales thread or in a email reply(I don't remember where i saw exactly) that test by trying to buy few links see if it works for you. If it din't cancel subscription.
3) Your FIRST link dripped on the 14th of Jan, with the final one dripping on the 21st. So it's been about 2 weeks since all your links have been live and indexed.
Its not 2 weeks but 3 weeks.
Still it would be a unreasonable expectation to see something within 3 weeks.
4) So really, you are expecting results in 2 weeks, and I'm afraid SEO just does not work like that.
Its 3 weeks and I know it takes more than 3 weeks time. If you see my questions you will notice i am not complaining i am asking for your advice.
5) Even if your site wasn't dropping, it's still unreasonable to expect much of an increase that quickly.
thats the reason i continued my subscription for second month.
6) It's a complete waste of time to bother renting good links for 4 weeks
thats why i dint cancel subscription for second month.
7) but if money is an issue I'm happy to just refund you and remove the links now.
I never asked for the refund.
I never complained quality of your links/service.
I only asked you few questions.
these are the questions i asked
Does it take more time to see the results?
Did all the posts got crawled by Google?
Would you advice me to stop subscription if i don't see results later also?(I mean on 3rd month payment)
8) There's no point in us both wasting our time.
yes, we really on wrong track.
I don't want any refund as i still believe quality of your service.
I will cancel third month subscription irrespective of results(Even if i gain rankings) as i am not happy how you answered me.
9) Here's what your traffic graph looks like
Organic traffic - 7880/month
I don't know what is your source of traffic.
According to Google webmaster tools and Google Analytics my organic traffic is 30,000/month.
Before Dec update it was 36,000/month
10) I am not not going to bother showing you though, as I really dislike when clients complain after 4 weeks,
I din't complain anything. I was asking few basic questions like does it take more time to see results, did all the posts got crawled by Google search engine spiders and would you advice me if i don't see results at the end of the subscription.
11) especially when they aren't even properly tracking their keywords.
I don't use softwares to track keywords. but i do track manually. I am not professional but i know if i am seeing improvement or not.
12) And on top of that your site has now gone from decreasing, to a slight increase,
If you would have said that answer to my questions it would have been done but you choose other way of answering.
13) but expecting a large increase in traffic and broad keywords after this amount of time is just beyond unreasonable.
When did i say i was expecting large increase in traffic or broad keyword rankings. I only asked does it take more time to see results, did all the posts got crawled by Google search engine spiders and would you advice me to cancel if i don't see results at the end of the subscription.
Anyway there is no point in wasting both of our time.
I don't want any refund. I will just cancel 3rd month subscription irrespective of results.
So you can delete my links on march 14th if i am right.
P.S - I am sure you built one of the best PBN networks and i believe yours is a quality network.
I am only cancelling subscription because we both don't like each other attitude.
I really dislike when Sellers doesn't understand the concerns of buyers.
Seller Answer -
You originally wanted on my network asking about one time payments, hence my suspicious that you had no intention to stay. I let you on accepting that you were happy to keep the links longer than a month, but you emailed me after 1 month showing me you had an intention to cancel. Hence, I feel you are not suited to my network. It hurts my network when people join and cancel.
With that in mind I'm issuing you a refund and removing your links.
All the best.
my reply -
1) You originally wanted on my network asking about one time payments,
I have right to ask questions before buying.
many asked same question before me.
I also asked other questions like discounts, related domains etc..
Read the post(Post number) you made on your sales thread on DEc 6th.
Based on that i asked about one time payments etc..
2) hence my suspicious that you had no intention to stay.
If i don't have any intention to stay then i will not continued subscription on second month.
Also i ordered 600 words articles.
If i had intention to cancel i can order 300 words articles and would have cancelled on last date of subscription with out asking you any questions.
I made sure i paid for second month and then asked few questions. I din't asked you any refund also. you only brought the refund issue.
3) I let you on accepting that you were happy to keep the links longer than a month,
you were correct. I was ready to keep links longer.
I paid for second month.
4) but you emailed me after 1 month showing me you had an intention to cancel.
I din't email you. I sent a pm in bhw.
I asked your advice what i need to do at the end on the second month if i don't see results.
In your sales thread you yourself said multiple times that test your network by buying 100$/month + rebill --if you don't see results cancel.
I asked a genuine question and answered with a refund, questioning my intentions in buying etc..
5) Hence, I feel you are not suited to my network.
you have the right who you allow in your network and whom not.
6) It hurts my network when people join and cancel.
yes, yours is a quality network and i can understand your concerns if someone does that.
I joined but i din't cancel.
I only asked your advice.
to cancel i don't need to ask you.
I can cancel without informing you.
I din't cancel and got to you for your advice what to do next.
7) With that in mind I'm issuing you a refund and removing your links.
Its unfair to refund and removing my links after i paid subscription for second month.
If you are ok with my proposal is we will ask any mod or senior member and ask them who is right in this situation.
If they say you are right then you can refund and remove my links.
If they say i am right then you need to keep my links till march 14th.
.
Seller Reply -
The reason I went ahead and refunded you was simple. You said to me that no matter what, you are going to cancel on the 14th of March, even if you get good results.
I don't really want people messing around on my network like this.
Your first message was also pretty direct saying "you were billed for the second month", but "didn't see any results".
You've made it quite clear you have no intention of staying long term on my network, but are just trying to get a quick result then cancel.
I am within my right to remove you.
I will refund your content payment now.
You're welcome to contact the mods or shitlist me. If the mods instruct me to do so, I will reinstate your links free of charge.
Done, here's your content refund receipt
my answer -
1) The reason I went ahead and refunded you was simple. You said to me that no matter what, you are going to cancel on the 14th of March, even if you get good results.
I said that because the way you are treating me.
Just go through all our conversations. you will understand why i said i want to cancel.
2) I don't really want people messing around on my network like this.
I din't mess with your network.
I only trusted you.
you are the one who is messing with my website by removing all my links at once by not giving me time.
3) Your first message was also pretty direct saying "you were billed for the second month", but "didn't see any results".
Here is the first message again for you
"Its been one month since i ordered.
I got billed for second month.
I dint see any improvement in rankings or traffic.
Does it take more time to see the results?
Did all the posts got crawled by Google?
Would you advice me to stop subscription if i don't see results later also? "
First 3 lines were information about my order.
Next 3 links were my questions about the order.
4) You've made it quite clear you have no intention of staying long term on my network, but are just trying to get a quick result then cancel.
I said because of your attitude(sorry if its a wrong word i am not good in english) towards me.
If i get results why do i need to cancel.
If i cancel my links will be gone and rankings will also get tanked.
whats the use for me by getting quick result and again losing rankings?
5) I am within my right to remove you.
Not without considering client
6) I will refund your content payment now.
Why don't you understand it not about money.
may be because of my bad english.
7) You're welcome to contact the mods or shitlist me. If the mods instruct me to do so, I will reinstate your links free of charge.
you may believe of not - I highly respect you for the quality service you are providing and also the good posts you post in the forum and add value to the forum.
most of of the members in this forum respect you.
I will post a thread in BlackHat Lounge and will ask members who is right in this issue without naming you as service provider.
Based on the answers we both will know who is right or who is wrong.
Seller Response -
It makes no difference what anyone in the blackhat lounge says.
My business, my rules. The lounge didn't invest $250k. I did. So I get to decide the rules for my business. You were refunded. My business is not a democracy where people in the lounge get to decide who does and doesn't get on. I have an obligation to protect my clients and you made it clear to me from your initial post asking about one time payments that your goal is to not to rent links. I gave you a chance, but you showed me that you have bad intentions.
my response -
1)It makes no difference what anyone in the blackhat lounge says.
I know it doesn't make any difference but at least we know who is correct in this issue.
2) My business, my rules.
your business involves my website also. It's not right for you to just remove my links like that and hurt my website rankings. If that is done my links will look unnatural to Google.
I din't ask for refund, i din't cancel subscription. I even paid for this month.
3)The lounge didn't invest $xxxk. I did.
yes.
4) So I get to decide the rules for my business.
yes..
may be you will change your mind.
5) You were refunded.
Never asked that.
6) My business is not a democracy where people in the lounge get to decide who does and doesn't get on.
i understand. But i believe i din't do any mistake in the issue we are in right now.
I want to know who is right in this.
7) I have an obligation to protect my clients and you made it clear to me from your initial post asking about one time payments that your goal is to not to rent links.
Read the post(1311) you made on your sales thread on DEc 6th.
Based on that i asked about one time payments etc..
8) I gave you a chance, but you showed me that you have bad intentions.
I am glad you gave a chance in the network. I never had bad intentions.
I can post in your sales thread about the issue - i din't do it.
I can open a shitlist - I din't do it.
I even requested you that we will ask a mod or a senior member here. you were not interested.
you were very rude towards me.
the real issue is I asked few questions which you din't liked.
Anyway i am opening a thread not to blame you for everything.
Just want to know who was wrong.
Not expecting anything about PBN posts etc..
Everyone please let me know how wrong i am in the entire issue.
I ordered 8 PBN posts with monthly subscription on DEc 27th paying around $90.
I paid $96 for content for 8 PBN posts on dec 27th or 28th.
my pbn posts are scheduled from Jan 14th to Jan 21st.
On Feb 14th renewed my 8 pbn posts by paying around $90.
On 15th i sent following message to the seller -
Its been one month since i ordered.
I got billed for second month.
I dint see any improvement in rankings or traffic.
Does it take more time to see the results?
Did all the posts got crawled by Google?
Would you advice me to stop subscription if i don't see results later also?
this is the answer i got from the seller
Yeah it's best to cancel. If the results aren't what you expected, I always advise clients to cancel and try another service.
If you'd like I can refund the payment that's just come off and remove your links immediately for you.
Your site has been dropping since the 4th of Dec update, so expecting it to go from dropping rapidly to an increase in less than 4 weeks is unreasonable expectations. Your FIRST link dripped on the 14th of Jan, with the final one dripping on the 21st. So it's been about 2 weeks since all your links have been live and indexed. So really, you are expecting results in 2 weeks, and I'm afraid SEO just does not work like that. Even if your site wasn't dropping, it's still unreasonable to expect much of an increase that quickly.
It's a complete waste of time to bother renting good links for 4 weeks, but if money is an issue I'm happy to just refund you and remove the links now. There's no point in us both wasting our time.
You actually have had increases in rankings btw.
I am not not going to bother showing you though, as I really dislike when clients complain after 4 weeks, especially when they aren't even properly tracking their keywords. And on top of that your site has now gone from decreasing, to a slight increase, but expecting a large increase in traffic and broad keywords after this amount of time is just beyond unreasonable.
my answer again -
Hmm, you got wrong impression of my questions.
Never expected this type of reply from you who always try to help people with there informative posts about SEO etc and kind of care you take of your clients websites.
1)Your site has been dropping since the 4th of Dec update
yes, I had drop but not drastic drop. Before drop website was getting 1200 visitors/day.
After the drop i am getting 1000 visitors/day.
2) so expecting it to go from dropping rapidly to an increase in less than 4 weeks is unreasonable expectations.
I never
yes, i accept what you said but It din't drop rapidly.
Before i got rebilled this month only i know that i din't saw improvement.
I din't cancelled my subscription because i felt i need to see one more month before seeing results.
you yourself said in one of the posts in the sales thread or in a email reply(I don't remember where i saw exactly) that test by trying to buy few links see if it works for you. If it din't cancel subscription.
3) Your FIRST link dripped on the 14th of Jan, with the final one dripping on the 21st. So it's been about 2 weeks since all your links have been live and indexed.
Its not 2 weeks but 3 weeks.
Still it would be a unreasonable expectation to see something within 3 weeks.
4) So really, you are expecting results in 2 weeks, and I'm afraid SEO just does not work like that.
Its 3 weeks and I know it takes more than 3 weeks time. If you see my questions you will notice i am not complaining i am asking for your advice.
5) Even if your site wasn't dropping, it's still unreasonable to expect much of an increase that quickly.
thats the reason i continued my subscription for second month.
6) It's a complete waste of time to bother renting good links for 4 weeks
thats why i dint cancel subscription for second month.
7) but if money is an issue I'm happy to just refund you and remove the links now.
I never asked for the refund.
I never complained quality of your links/service.
I only asked you few questions.
these are the questions i asked
Does it take more time to see the results?
Did all the posts got crawled by Google?
Would you advice me to stop subscription if i don't see results later also?(I mean on 3rd month payment)
8) There's no point in us both wasting our time.
yes, we really on wrong track.
I don't want any refund as i still believe quality of your service.
I will cancel third month subscription irrespective of results(Even if i gain rankings) as i am not happy how you answered me.
9) Here's what your traffic graph looks like
Organic traffic - 7880/month
I don't know what is your source of traffic.
According to Google webmaster tools and Google Analytics my organic traffic is 30,000/month.
Before Dec update it was 36,000/month
10) I am not not going to bother showing you though, as I really dislike when clients complain after 4 weeks,
I din't complain anything. I was asking few basic questions like does it take more time to see results, did all the posts got crawled by Google search engine spiders and would you advice me if i don't see results at the end of the subscription.
11) especially when they aren't even properly tracking their keywords.
I don't use softwares to track keywords. but i do track manually. I am not professional but i know if i am seeing improvement or not.
12) And on top of that your site has now gone from decreasing, to a slight increase,
If you would have said that answer to my questions it would have been done but you choose other way of answering.
13) but expecting a large increase in traffic and broad keywords after this amount of time is just beyond unreasonable.
When did i say i was expecting large increase in traffic or broad keyword rankings. I only asked does it take more time to see results, did all the posts got crawled by Google search engine spiders and would you advice me to cancel if i don't see results at the end of the subscription.
Anyway there is no point in wasting both of our time.
I don't want any refund. I will just cancel 3rd month subscription irrespective of results.
So you can delete my links on march 14th if i am right.
P.S - I am sure you built one of the best PBN networks and i believe yours is a quality network.
I am only cancelling subscription because we both don't like each other attitude.
I really dislike when Sellers doesn't understand the concerns of buyers.
Seller Answer -
You originally wanted on my network asking about one time payments, hence my suspicious that you had no intention to stay. I let you on accepting that you were happy to keep the links longer than a month, but you emailed me after 1 month showing me you had an intention to cancel. Hence, I feel you are not suited to my network. It hurts my network when people join and cancel.
With that in mind I'm issuing you a refund and removing your links.
All the best.
my reply -
1) You originally wanted on my network asking about one time payments,
I have right to ask questions before buying.
many asked same question before me.
I also asked other questions like discounts, related domains etc..
Read the post(Post number) you made on your sales thread on DEc 6th.
Based on that i asked about one time payments etc..
2) hence my suspicious that you had no intention to stay.
If i don't have any intention to stay then i will not continued subscription on second month.
Also i ordered 600 words articles.
If i had intention to cancel i can order 300 words articles and would have cancelled on last date of subscription with out asking you any questions.
I made sure i paid for second month and then asked few questions. I din't asked you any refund also. you only brought the refund issue.
3) I let you on accepting that you were happy to keep the links longer than a month,
you were correct. I was ready to keep links longer.
I paid for second month.
4) but you emailed me after 1 month showing me you had an intention to cancel.
I din't email you. I sent a pm in bhw.
I asked your advice what i need to do at the end on the second month if i don't see results.
In your sales thread you yourself said multiple times that test your network by buying 100$/month + rebill --if you don't see results cancel.
I asked a genuine question and answered with a refund, questioning my intentions in buying etc..
5) Hence, I feel you are not suited to my network.
you have the right who you allow in your network and whom not.
6) It hurts my network when people join and cancel.
yes, yours is a quality network and i can understand your concerns if someone does that.
I joined but i din't cancel.
I only asked your advice.
to cancel i don't need to ask you.
I can cancel without informing you.
I din't cancel and got to you for your advice what to do next.
7) With that in mind I'm issuing you a refund and removing your links.
Its unfair to refund and removing my links after i paid subscription for second month.
If you are ok with my proposal is we will ask any mod or senior member and ask them who is right in this situation.
If they say you are right then you can refund and remove my links.
If they say i am right then you need to keep my links till march 14th.
.
Seller Reply -
The reason I went ahead and refunded you was simple. You said to me that no matter what, you are going to cancel on the 14th of March, even if you get good results.
I don't really want people messing around on my network like this.
Your first message was also pretty direct saying "you were billed for the second month", but "didn't see any results".
You've made it quite clear you have no intention of staying long term on my network, but are just trying to get a quick result then cancel.
I am within my right to remove you.
I will refund your content payment now.
You're welcome to contact the mods or shitlist me. If the mods instruct me to do so, I will reinstate your links free of charge.
Done, here's your content refund receipt
my answer -
1) The reason I went ahead and refunded you was simple. You said to me that no matter what, you are going to cancel on the 14th of March, even if you get good results.
I said that because the way you are treating me.
Just go through all our conversations. you will understand why i said i want to cancel.
2) I don't really want people messing around on my network like this.
I din't mess with your network.
I only trusted you.
you are the one who is messing with my website by removing all my links at once by not giving me time.
3) Your first message was also pretty direct saying "you were billed for the second month", but "didn't see any results".
Here is the first message again for you
"Its been one month since i ordered.
I got billed for second month.
I dint see any improvement in rankings or traffic.
Does it take more time to see the results?
Did all the posts got crawled by Google?
Would you advice me to stop subscription if i don't see results later also? "
First 3 lines were information about my order.
Next 3 links were my questions about the order.
4) You've made it quite clear you have no intention of staying long term on my network, but are just trying to get a quick result then cancel.
I said because of your attitude(sorry if its a wrong word i am not good in english) towards me.
If i get results why do i need to cancel.
If i cancel my links will be gone and rankings will also get tanked.
whats the use for me by getting quick result and again losing rankings?
5) I am within my right to remove you.
Not without considering client
6) I will refund your content payment now.
Why don't you understand it not about money.
may be because of my bad english.
7) You're welcome to contact the mods or shitlist me. If the mods instruct me to do so, I will reinstate your links free of charge.
you may believe of not - I highly respect you for the quality service you are providing and also the good posts you post in the forum and add value to the forum.
most of of the members in this forum respect you.
I will post a thread in BlackHat Lounge and will ask members who is right in this issue without naming you as service provider.
Based on the answers we both will know who is right or who is wrong.
Seller Response -
It makes no difference what anyone in the blackhat lounge says.
My business, my rules. The lounge didn't invest $250k. I did. So I get to decide the rules for my business. You were refunded. My business is not a democracy where people in the lounge get to decide who does and doesn't get on. I have an obligation to protect my clients and you made it clear to me from your initial post asking about one time payments that your goal is to not to rent links. I gave you a chance, but you showed me that you have bad intentions.
my response -
1)It makes no difference what anyone in the blackhat lounge says.
I know it doesn't make any difference but at least we know who is correct in this issue.
2) My business, my rules.
your business involves my website also. It's not right for you to just remove my links like that and hurt my website rankings. If that is done my links will look unnatural to Google.
I din't ask for refund, i din't cancel subscription. I even paid for this month.
3)The lounge didn't invest $xxxk. I did.
yes.
4) So I get to decide the rules for my business.
yes..
may be you will change your mind.
5) You were refunded.
Never asked that.
6) My business is not a democracy where people in the lounge get to decide who does and doesn't get on.
i understand. But i believe i din't do any mistake in the issue we are in right now.
I want to know who is right in this.
7) I have an obligation to protect my clients and you made it clear to me from your initial post asking about one time payments that your goal is to not to rent links.
Read the post(1311) you made on your sales thread on DEc 6th.
Based on that i asked about one time payments etc..
8) I gave you a chance, but you showed me that you have bad intentions.
I am glad you gave a chance in the network. I never had bad intentions.
I can post in your sales thread about the issue - i din't do it.
I can open a shitlist - I din't do it.
I even requested you that we will ask a mod or a senior member here. you were not interested.
you were very rude towards me.
the real issue is I asked few questions which you din't liked.
Anyway i am opening a thread not to blame you for everything.
Just want to know who was wrong.
Not expecting anything about PBN posts etc..
Everyone please let me know how wrong i am in the entire issue.
