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Is using Wordpress limiting your options?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by greyhatdude, Jan 3, 2009.

  1. greyhatdude

    greyhatdude Regular Member

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    I painted myself into a corner by using wordpress and forgetting that there are other, better options, until Wordpress became obviously inadequte. I spent all of the past week racking my brain, trying to get Wordpress to do things it was not meant to do, before it finally clicked....

    You don't have to use wordpress. Duh.

    I'm going to go out on a limb and assume I'm not the only person on this board who has made this mistake, or at least not the only person who was ignorant of all the amazing CMS (Content Management System) apps that are out there. I need a CMS with a basic blog function- not a blog platform that can be tweaked into a basic CMS. Many CMS's include integrated shopping carts, SEO settings, multiple language translation, and multi-site administration panels (Yes, you can control multiple websites from within one admin panel, right out of the box). After having used Wordpress for the past year, seeing those features included in these software packages made me PISSED about all the time I have wasted, so I composed this post to make sure other people don't waste their time with Wordpress when there are other options out there that might suit their needs better.Yes, Wordpress is ideal for autoblogging and ad plugins, and wordpress is free - but if you have whitehat, greyhat or bluehat sites - or not too many sites, or just sites that are not fully automated, you should look into other options and might consider these. I have issues spending money on CMS's but you might not. I simply can't afford it, I am trying to stop buying my way around obstacles, and I think that open source products should be supported whenever possible.

    You can run a search for your ideal CMS by visiting cmsmatrix.org which is an amazing resource but limits you to comparing 10 products at a time. I ran my own search and found 17 that included shopping carts and event management modules + calendars, and had to open each one in a tab to view them. Here are is a concise list of CMS systems that I like. Not all of them are free.

    • sitekit.net/Five-step-guide.html
    • bluelightcms.com/features.cms (free for non commercial use)
    • dotcms.org/ - NICE
    • drupal.org/
    • gravityfactor.com/ (PRICE NOT KNOWN YET)
    • openeditdam.com/ - looks fricking awesome, has everything I want but I haven't tested it yet.
    • twinleafstudios.net/splash/index.html (Splash Frog CMS)

    For those of you who want an all-in-one marketing program and can afford $300+ per month, Lyris.com is interesting.
    "Lyris is doing something no one else dares: bundling email marketing, deliverability analytics, Web analytics, PPC campaign management and Web content management. You get it all for one low monthly price."

    FYI: There is money to be made as a Drupal developer, Drupal host, or Theme Designer, so that is something that newbies or people who are not yet making money might want to consider. I am leaning towards Drupal and OpenEditDAM for my new sites, and wish I knew about Drupal a year ago.
     
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    richjerkoff Junior Member

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    I toyed with Joomla and Drupal before I finally settled on WordPress so I am aware of all the other CMS out there. Joomla is powerful and has some great themes available but the loading time on a shared hosting account was terribly slow making it a bad choice for me.
    Drupal is said to be very powerful but quite difficult to learn .

    The thing is WordPress has so many plugins that it can be modified to do lots of extra stuff and is easy to learn. There are better CMS than WordPress but ease of use,extendibility and the fact that Google loves it are the main reasons why it has become so popular.
     
  3. Ron Parker

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    Thanks for the share but since when was $300 a month for a single site a low monthly price?
     
  4. greyhatdude

    greyhatdude Regular Member

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    Joomla didn't come up in my search on cmsmatrix, that is the only reason its not on my list. Drupal has been mentioned to me by both a web devleoper and a designer in the past, but I was stuck on wordpress - never considered Drupal. They say that if you know wordpress as well as I do, then it should be possible to pick up Drupal quickly, and I trust their judgement. I'm not a wordpress expert - I haven't made themes or plugins - but I think I am capable of learning to do that.
    I've heard "Google loves Wordpress" repeated like its a mantra or the gospel truth, so my natural, contrarian reaction is to doubt it. I personally think that what Google loves is RSS.
     
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    I wouldn't call that a low price, myself, but if you can afford it and prefer to focus on content rather than the framework involved, it might be something to consider. I started looking for a hosted solution and ended up looking for a free CMS because a hosted solution with all the features I wanted was way too expensive.
     
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    I feel ya, Greyhatdude! If you want to get online quickly and on the cheap, then a CMS -- ANY cms -- is the way to go. Yes there are security issues to contend with, but that's part of the territory. If you choose this route, you've just gotta pick one that's gonna give you the most bang for your buck. Keep in mind that if something goes wrong, you don't want to have to hunt for programmers/developers to help you out -- pick an obscure CMS, and you're gonna pay premium $$ to get quickfix solutions on short notice.

    I ran with Joomla because with my limited html, css & php, Joomla had the shortest learning curve for me and most of extensions I needed were free. Plus, I was on a very tight (self-imposed) deadline to get a number of sites online. :) I didn't try WP until I decided to pursue agriculture. For the modified MFA (splogs) that I use, Joomla was overkill, and WP fit the bill perfectly & it was simple to learn.

    The best thing about Joomla & WP is that developers & programmers are a dime a dozen and you'll have no problem finding someone to help you out in a bind. Also, once you've gotten your process down pat, you'll be able to outsource it easily and CHEAPLY.

    I can't imagine having to hard-code a site from scratch using only html/css/php. Not when I can have a full ecommerce site -- complete with shopping cart, forum, newsletter, blog, etc. online in an hour. And a content filled splog? 15mins.
     
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    Full ACK, Smiling.

    I have made the same experience, also using Joomla and WP.

    Using these CMSes means also having security fixes on the way in relatively short time.

    For non-blog-style sites I run Joomla with complete satisfaction - almost anything you might want is already developed and mostly available for free. But quick-hack 3rd-party components tend to have security problems, so one has definitely to check new plugins a little first ( possibility of SQL injections is not seldom ) if they do not only serve for a little community of christian missionars but also for a angry crowd of cheated users.
     
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    Interesting post. I also use both Joomla and Wordpress
    Has anyone used Happar as a cms?
     
  9. Strider

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    Wordpress rocks. I use it for all my client sites. It is always being made better and better and the admin interface is as simple as PIE.
     
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    I agree otisdog. Wordpress is so versatile, and with a huge pool of people developing on the platform it is far more that a blogging or simple CMS now.

    Take some time to learn the markup and it can do anything.

    Also, its probabally the fastest way to get a live site up, I had a site up ready with content recieving hits within an hour yesterday.

    (Ands its no secret the big G loves wordpress).

    Storm
     
  11. stumu

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    If you can get under the hood and build using the api, Wordpress can be made to operate in just about any way you want. I build bespoke wordpress cms solutions for a living (by chance after losing too much sleep over drupal development - the dev community is far less open and flexible compared to wordpress) and it's rare to tell the client they can't have a requested functionality. There's always a way ;)
     
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    I know most people love Wordpress, and I will use it for a few adult affiliate programs that provide Wordpress templates. The point of my post was that I was stupid, and continuing with the theme (meme?) of my past few threads, I allowed myself to become too dependent upon it as a my only tool other than html/php based sites, and I want others to learn from my mistake.


    "If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail."
    Bernard Baruch.


    There is another ($300) CMS which I am happy to report that I just found.
    interspire.com/shoppingcart/features.php -- Interspire's "Shopping Cart" is much more than just a shopping cart, it is a fully functioning CMS with some SEO features. I know of one site I was building around Wordpress that I will definitely use this software on. I was going to sell the domain for $150ish, but after finding Interspire the domain suddenly seems more valuable. I may still flip the site, but I will price it at $1000+ now.
     
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    greyhatdude Regular Member

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    Sweet Jeebus this is pretty damned cool, but not ready to go out of the box and that is what I need for my next few projects.

    If you know some PHP and have the time to play with this, it might be better than trying to learn Drupal. There are so many free php-based scripts available that you could have a site with unique functions ready to roll in on time, or possibly a "roll-your-own" php-based CMS that you could use to crank out countless variations...and use them yourself or resell them...

     
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    Dang, that looks nice. It appears to have limitless options and possibilities.
     
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    That's what I'm thinking, man. It's free and you can extend it to do anything with PHP. You can do ANYTHING with it.
    I'd love to play with it but won't have the time. I'm focusing on content and design for the next few months. Other than visiting BHW, I will be spending all my time making content for the foreseeable future.
    Frog is an awesome discovery. I wonder if there are forums/communities for people who use it. I'd love to see some examples of what people have done with it.

    Edit: Visit forum.madebyfrog.com/ and see examples of sites in this thread - forum.madebyfrog.com/topic/206
     
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    13 More CMS options - these are all free:

    /blog.webdistortion.com/2008/05/17/13-free-cms-options-for-web-design-professionals/
     
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    Sorry for the late response but I just ran across this question.

    I sort of liked Happar's built-in search engine and the way it managed keywords and articles.

    But the rest ... oy! Blogging was a mess. Getting the layouts to do what I wanted was severely limited. And I couldn't do certain simple cosmetic modifications because the code was encrypted.

    The final straw for me was when they made an update that broke the translators. :banghead: That's where my most profitable traffic draw was.

    Three updates later, and the translators still wouldn't work.

    You're better off creating an auto-blog in WP.
     
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    If you have the space and resources, you can run Wordpress on the front-end and use happar search / keyword drips on the backend... you get the best of both. Also, i agree happar was nice but since a few updates back, most of it doesn't work or works badly... although its still very useful. The new version is coming out soon but i believe its going to be 900 bucks... it will allow you to skin it and modify... or so they say / remains to be seen.