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Is this article spinning approach sufficient/over-doing it?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by BobbyGeneric, Jul 9, 2012.

  1. BobbyGeneric

    BobbyGeneric Newbie

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    Hey guys,

    Would you say this article creation/spinning method
    is sufficient to prevent any possibilities of my stuff
    being tagged as dupe. content? Or am I doing too much?

    1) Write 1 unique article and place on money site.
    2) Create 2 new variations of each sentence.
    3) Use "replace everyone's favorites" feature on
    TBS using "better" quality level.

    So final product is 3 versions of each sentence with
    multiple variations of individual synonyms.

    The spun version is then used for web 2.0's, article
    directories, blogs etc.

    My plan is to outsource all the re-writing/spinning so
    I want to make sure I'm not doing too much here and
    over-paying.

    Thanks,

    BobbyG
     
  2. TrollDad

    TrollDad Regular Member

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    i am also curious with this question. bump
     
  3. Z0mbie

    Z0mbie Regular Member

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    I wouldn't use the money-site article spun on my backlinks, it leaves a footprint.
    If you can write a separate article for your backlinks, then I like your strategy. The way I do it is:
    1) Scrape around 3000-4000 lines
    2) Randomly join them into 4 paragraph articles with 5-10 number of sentences per paragraph I get quite a number of articles doing that.
    3)Then I spin them with Spinchimp

    Depending on what I'm using it for, eg. article directories or web 2.0s, I also add images and videos randomly to it,


    Here's another tip: To use them for social bookmarks, on the lines I've scraped, I use a regex query .{n,n2} where n and n2 are the min and max. no. of characters I want in each line, then I spin it again together so that I get hundreds of descriptions with <250 or <450 characters in each so that they don't get rejected by the bookmarking sites.
     
  4. BobbyGeneric

    BobbyGeneric Newbie

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    Thanks for your feedback.

    If every sentence has 3 variations and then there is significant spinning of the individual words is that really going to leave a footprint though?
     
  5. Z0mbie

    Z0mbie Regular Member

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    Google is getting better at recognizing spun content. It depends on how much of a risk you wish to take.
     
  6. futurestic06

    futurestic06 Supreme Member

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    That's the best thing. For more safety , I get an High Quality article for my money site, then Get a rewritten version of that article of course done Manually. that's also of good quality. Then I spin the 2nd article to use for link building and web 2.0.
    thanks
     
  7. BobbyGeneric

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    How thoroughly do you spin the re-written article? Do you then create variations of all the sentences in the re-written version or just do individual synonym spinning?
     
  8. kendra

    kendra Power Member

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    You can't really over do it when spinning, so long as you keep it human readable. This is what I do:

    1) Create 10 sentence variations.
    2) Create around 40 to 50 paragraphs per article.
    3) Use spintax so that only 5 to 8 of these paragraphs are used per output.
    4) Use Spin Rewriter to auto spin the content. (I use Spin Rewriter because it is capable of understanding which synonyms to use is a sentence, and keeps this human readable).

    The final document is usually between 45k to 50k words, and outputs articles between 500 and 800 words in length. Ultimate Demon shows them at 2500% to 3000% unique.
     
  9. artificial_genius

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    Everything you said sounds good but I'd recommend using a spinner that gives you better readability than TBS.
     
  10. Z0mbie

    Z0mbie Regular Member

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    Which one do you recommend? I personally use Spinchimp. Pretty good software.
     
  11. moonlighsunligh

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    Do you do this manually? As long as i can say, an average writer probably needs a 10 days to write such huge article.

    I do not believe spin rewritten is better than Word AI as it can change sentence structure, and it understand the context. But lets test the WordAI against the SpinRewriiter, please use this text and run through both of them.

    Code:
    Machu Picchu was built in the classical Inca style, with polished dry-stone walls. Its three primary structures are the Intihuatana (Hitching post of the Sun), the Temple of the Sun, and the Room of the Three Windows. These are located in what is known by archaeologists as the Sacred District of Machu Picchu. In September 2007, Peru and Yale University almost reached an agreement regarding the return of artifacts which Yale has held since Hiram Bingham removed them from Machu Picchu in the early 20th century. In November 2010, a Yale University representative agreed to return the artifacts to a Peruvian university.
    
    [B]Fashion[/B] is a general term for a popular style or practice,  especially in clothing, footwear, accessories, makeup, or furniture.  "Fashion" refers to a distinctive; however, often-habitual trend in a  look and dress up of a person, as well as to prevailing styles in  behavior. "Fashion" usually is the newest creations made by designers  and are bought by only a few number of people; however, often those  "fashions" are translated into more established trends.
    
    
    And something from this article: http://EzineArticles.com/4876913
    
    
    
    
     
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  12. MrBeastsOnToast

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    i do a very similar method (more rewrites / less paragraphs) and it takes AGES. atleast 1.5hrs per para

    1. 6 sentances per paragraph
    2. 15-20 rewrites of each sentance
    3. hand spin at the word level.
    4. create about 20 paragraphs.
    5. randomly select 5-8 paragraphs
    6. randomly select 3-4 sentances from that paragraph.
    7. randomly order all paragraphs.

    The reason it takes so long is that i just cant concentrate on this for more than 4hrs a day, my brain literatly turns to mush and its just not productive for me to carry on with it anymore. BUT when its done, unlimited, human readable content. Using it on money sites and t1 totally fine.
     
  13. moonlighsunligh

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    Why don't you show an example of spinning a sentence 20 times, as I think, providing the meaning is always the same, sentences could be quite similar. I am i right? Maybe not all sentences have the same meaning?
     
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    when i spin the articles ? i check with copy scape they pass it and after wards i post it to web 2.0.I have no problems doing it that way
     
  15. williamk

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    That is exactly what I do and so far its going good. Do you know any good place to get manual articles rewrites?
     
  16. Z0mbie

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    ultra-articles I can't post links yet
     
  17. BobbyGeneric

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    What is your specific spinning method for the re-written article? Sentence variations? Individual synonyms?
     
  18. mrxinbollywood

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    yes you can do that easily , but always spun more than 70%. That is safe.
     
  19. kendra

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    It depends on what I am linking to. In some cases I do it manually, in other cases I use scraped content.



    The sentences don't have to have the same meaning. It's actually quite surprising how much sense random sentences can make when joined together, so long as they are all from the same topic/niche.
     
  20. artificial_genius

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    WordAi - it has the highest readability by far.

    However, SpinChimp is definitely better than TBS.