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Is SEO flawed?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by satyawrat, Mar 22, 2012.

  1. satyawrat

    satyawrat Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    Pardon for the nonsense title. I couldn't come up with anything better.

    I had an idea just a minute ago. It would be crazy if it is true....
    Backlink value diminishes as our site gets more and more backlinks from the same domain. This was done to stop spammers from spamming just one site and get ranked.

    What if, lets assume I have 100 high quality link sources. I build all those links to my site.com
    Building the same links again would diminish the value overall, so it not much fun.

    BUT, what if, I create a freeblog.blogger.com with a few pages of content.... and build the same 100 backlinks to it....
    Is the value still being diminished?
    If not, we can just go deeper and deeper with this linking pattern and rank a site with just 100 backlink sources.

    hahaha
     
  2. jr_sci

    jr_sci Senior Member

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    I have been doing Interlinking since 2010.. U can link again and again to the same page.. ! If you do it right, you won't get penalized.
     
  3. Rambaldi

    Rambaldi Registered Member

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    Welcome to linkbuilding 101 .. :banana:
     
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  4. satyawrat

    satyawrat Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    ??? how is this thread link building 101? If you think it is, either:
    you don't know SEO
    you aren't paying attention to what I have written.


    What I am trying to communicate is not the idea that interlinking is great.
    I am trying to communicate a different idea... if we have a small pool of backlink sources, say 100, we can link them to our main site. Now if we create more backlinks again from the same source, outbound link value from those 100 websites diminish. But if we put a buffer site and use the same sources for 100 more backlinks, there would be no decrease in outbound link value. So this way maybe we can compete for keywords which have 10k backlinks with just 100 backlinks repeated 100 levels. :p
    *Just a theory* Never tested it.
     
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  5. rahulsharma87

    rahulsharma87 Newbie

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    HI There,

    What you have written in your post is very well communicated to us. I would like to tell you that the thing or a strategy which you have mentioned in your post is really an awesome one. I am using the same thing for my clients by creating such links. I have around 500+ authoritative backlinks for one of my domain, than I create a blog over wordpress with 5 pages and some really interesting content over it. Than again I create the backlinks from the authoritative domains to that blog of wordpress, and create the Anchor text links of my domain to that blog. This increased the domain authority of my domain and also the traffic as well.
     
  6. blueguilt

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    So agree with you. Don't overdo things.
     
  7. usdachoice

    usdachoice Regular Member

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    This is pretty basic, I don't get the reason for the thread.
     
  8. satyawrat

    satyawrat Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    How is the idea of using just 100 backlink sources again and again, just by changing the linking structure to compete against sites with 10k backlinks basic?
    How can taking a sword to a gun fight be basic? lol
     
  9. tony23

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    Don't get it, put up a flow chart.
     
  10. argh11

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    I think what he is saying is the following:

    Money site<--(100 Quality Sites)

    Would the following work and add more authortity as well?

    Money site<--buffer site such as a guest blog or whatever<--(100 Quality Sites)

    The (100 Quality Sites) in both examples are links from the same sites, the only difference being the buffer site. If this would work you could do it 1000x of course.

    Interesting concept...So would this be a huge boost or a little boost?
     
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  11. LinkMaister

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    I wrote a 400 words post in reply but i am a new member and seems the post is triggering the moderation system for some reason. I will post it when I get to 15 posts.
     
  12. bossanova

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    Suppose if you create 10 such free blogs.
    10 blogs <- getting backlinks from 100 high quality sites.

    This will work great the only problem being obl on those 100 quality sites.Their obl will increase by 10.
    Link juice will get distributed to 10 more blogs which will dilute link juice coming to your money-site ,ultimately having no effect or may be very little effect.

    i could be wrong .... I haven't tried it !!
     
  13. makemecash

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    This is what I have been using for the past year, at quite honesty - it works wonders. As well as you are able to control your backlink's rather than just placing them.

    Since I can't post a link, the image is attached.

    HTML:
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    (change the "k" to "c" in .kom)
     

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  14. LinkMaister

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    Yes that would work. Also, do not think that just because you build a 2nd link from same source its value is low. I would say you can easily build 10-20 links from same source without a significant decrease in value. After 100 links you would obviously get less and less value from each additional link. Also it matters a lot if the links have same anchor and point to same page or not. 20 links in-text (as oppose to sidebar, footer, etc), pointing to 20 different pages and using 20 different k-words would be a lot more valuable than 20 links pointing to same page and using same k-word.


    Also, I would recommend building the links from different pages of that source site. In case that wasn't obvious.

    Now, going to the reusing the sources for your web2.0 properties and support sites, that is perfectly ok. It is not a "flaw" as you call it. It's just that our devious BH minds can find stuff like this and use it to our advantage. I would not recommend doing "100% coverage" as in that case you might be able to be detected as doing a link scheme. I am not sure about this, I'm not even sure if it is practical for Google to do this kind of analysis but I prefer to stay on the safe side.

    Bottom line is I do manual commenting on DF sites for example. I try to find high PR, trusted sites that accept dofollo links in comments. Obviously those are not so many so I reuse them a lot. Good thing is they are usually super large sites (1mil+ indexed pages). That means I am not obvious. Also, it is easy for me to blast some links at those source pages to increase their PR even more than it would get naturally.

    In the end, you just do this stuff for let's say 4-5 self-hosted sites and 50 web 2.0 properties and you rank pretty well.

    However there is more to it than just that. If you're targeting more difficult k-words you also need a good IP diversity. For that an AMR blast, posting on forums (preferably related forums or threads) and any kind of link that adds a new referring IP to the list is a great idea. Now don't get me wrong, these days AMR blasts and these kind of links are quite crappy. However, because they increase your IP spread and are combined with more powerful, authoritative links, they help a lot overall. You don't take just one link, look at it and say it sucks. You take the whole link profile/strategy/structure/whatever and analyze it as a whole. You need the following types of links to succeed:


    1. Relevant
    2. From trusted sources
    3. From many IPs, A,B,C-classes, datacenters, domains
    4. Of different types (in text, in sidebar, comment author, in comment body, in forum post) - this helps with looking natural more than ranking well
    5. Using different anchors (k-word, generic word like 'read more', URL, etc) - this helps with looking natural too

    Generally you can't get all those things with a single link. One link will be less relevant but from a trusted site, other link will be very relevant but from a weak site, etc. You combine and you succeed. The only thing you have to do is actually DOING IT! So many people complain that SEO is hard, that they fail, etc. They don't really work. They don't do the boring manual work required. They are lazy. Unless you are targeting a really difficult k-word, ranking is not that hard. For example you could get a MNS ranked with just a bunch of manual dofollwo comments. I ranked some MNS on #1 with just 20-30 df comments and 10 forum links or so. Those MNS don't make a lot of money but they do make more than I invested in them and all the MNS togheter over a longer time make quite a nice amount of money.
     
  15. Windmill

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    Yeah, this is called link wheels :) closed link wheels don't work well, open ones can work OK. This leaves a footprint though, so it becomes easy for Google to devalue.

    Btw, with correct keyword research, you can totally rank a site with less than 100 backlinks to it. In fact, you can rank a site with no backlinks to it with good keyword research and perfect onsite optimisation.
     
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  16. JohnyJ

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    What's the difference between open and closed link wheels, sorry to go off topic
     
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  17. eunicespears

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    Closed is where the sites all link to each other... and the last one links back to the first one.

    Open link wheels are where they link to each other, but the last one doesn't link back to the first one. This is the much better option.
     
  18. JohnyJ

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    Ok wicked, thanks for the info
     
  19. satyawrat

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    I think I am not able to communicate what I am trying to say here....
    I should do a video and post it... coz am not talking about linkwheels or anything else that is basic linkbuilding.
    Plus I am not even talking about new link structure.
     
  20. missil3

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    Its the other way around. You think your idea is a completely new one but what you are suggesting has been known to IMers for a while now. Suggesting its an advanced technique is just ignorance.
     
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