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Is PBN Links Really That powerful?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by pinatadaisy, Apr 13, 2015.

  1. pinatadaisy

    pinatadaisy Registered Member

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    All these years i have done my seo for money sites based on links building from threads i found here. I've been using packages from reputable seller here, but honestly the result didn't as i expected.

    Ok, my sites went to page 3 or 4 for low competition kws, but thats it. It can't move to page 1 no matter i update my content with original and quality posts. My onpage seo seems great too but the results still the same.

    Then i checked my competitors backlinks, and i found some interesting facts. He just uses links from 3 websites in the same niches, and continually and gradually linking to his money sites. I believe this is called PBN links, rite? Not like any other tutorial to hide footprints and only use 1 or 2 links to money site, he link about 5-6 links from PBN to his money sites in the same day. No hiding with robots or use link privacy, but his sites stays in top 2 (#1 is authority site) for the keywords since october last year until now.

    It makes me wonder, is PBN links really that powerful? Because i spend about $150 a month for link building here, update content regularly with quality and fresh content (my competitor just take random article about this niche and translate it using google translate, it really awful content to read), but he got the results. After all, thats what seo all about rite? Results..

    So, again, is PBN links have so much power that overcome any other link building method?

    Please enlighten me, i'm newbie in this PBN field :)
     
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    Aatrox Supreme Member

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    They do have a lot of power if you have domains that have a lot of power. You can scrape your own expired domains or you can pay some money (there are a lot of sellers here on BHW) to get really good domain with great metrics that will give you a boost.
     
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    arpitagarwal82 Power Member

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    Most of the PBN links sold on webmasters forum are not actually "Private".
    A true PBN can have a serious impact on rankings. :)
     
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    yes mate it will give you more power it provide you more impact of rankings you can try this...
     
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    It just really depends on if you want to do this yourself Ie host your own sites or if you want to rent/buy from others. A lot of it depends on the quality of the domains.
     
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    yes, pbn links are great, ideally you have your own pbn which is actually private and don't get links from someone offering such a service, then you will see the difference. read on the forum how to build your own, you don't need a lot, start with 5 first.
     
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    The thing that you have to remember with a PBN is that it's just a website linking to yours. That's all. PBN simply refers to a group of websites, that you can link to whatever other site you want. With this in mind, ask yourself, "Are websites linking to me good for SEO?"... Ahhhh yes they are!

    I don't really know that much about PBN's that get sold here as I don't see how that can really ever work. The P in PBN stands for Private. How is something private when you are selling links to people? You also have absolutely no control of what else that site is linking to, or the content. And for some of the prices that get thrown around. It's really not worth it.

    However building your own PBN is a great idea. Especially for someone in your situation that needs an extra push to the top. Here's a ridiculously good guide to PBN's to get you started. http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...-build-your-own-pbn-under-275-15-domains.html . Read through the entire thread as people drop other tips throughout. There are services in the BST section that will either build the PBN for you, provide hosting, or just sell you the domains (*cough* http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...domains-da-10-40-tf-0-20-priced-low-10-a.html). But realistically, if you want to see if something works, just do it manually first. If you have the time it will literally cost you the price of the domain and hosting ($20 MAX) to get your first site in your PBN setup. From there you can keep adding and see results for yourself.
     
  9. ThopHayt

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    Junk PBNs used to work well. So did Senuke blasts, GSA spams, and blog comments by the million. PBNs aren't as dead as those other links but I've noticed a large dip in effectiveness of (public) junk PBNs in the past 6 months or so. Essentially Google is getting better at picking out the spammy footprints, poor content, and commonly used templates that these cheap PBNs use. Its a shame, they worked so well for so long.
     
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    I Build my own PBN with same niche, so I have 5 big sites which i use as a PBN linked to my money site.
    If you look at my main keywords, I see the PBN itself ranking in Page 1 and 2..

    I had the split test going between Good Content/Garbage content on the PBN and the final outputs are almost the same.
    I get the same results... So, its not about the content always. Authority of the PBN matters the most.
     
  11. pinatadaisy

    pinatadaisy Registered Member

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    Yeah, i think so.. Building a PBN seems a really powerful link building nowadays.. Thank You :)
     
  12. pinatadaisy

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    Yeah, thats it.. I bought PBN link service here, but it got me nowhere. So, "public" blog really didn't effect anything today..

    Bullseye !!! Really agree with you, for low competition (maybe medium too?) kws, contents didn't effects so much, as long it is original, spun or awful contents didn't matter. What matters is the PBN itself.. My competitors just have 3 webs as PBN, but it has a huge power for serps and even stays there almost 6 months now.

    So I had built my own PBN, just made 3 webs and linked to my money sites, and now my kws got the google dance.. I think in 2-3 days it will steady and hope will boost to page 1 :)
     
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    Yes mate the PBN links are provide a great impact on the site.Here is many services out in BHW but few services are very popular and providing best results.
     
  14. ThopHayt

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    Some do and some don't. If the seller uses quality content that is highly readable and unique and avoids the pitfalls then they CAN be good. Its just the trick of picking the good ones and not the bad ones. The super cheap ones usually have bad content, but some of the expensive ones do too. Just hit and miss depending on seller. But in general Google is getting better at clamping down. If you find a good seller that gives results its worth keeping them on file for this reason.
     
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    Back in 2013 and early 2014 PBNs (even public ones) were by far the most powerful, ruthless and easiest way to dominate a niche. I was ranking in competitive local niches one after another in less than 6 weeks and hitting #1 fast. It was almost unbelievable how fast the sites would crawl up to the top meanwhile all these other businesses were spending thousands on "whitehat" SEO and not getting anywhere.

    In 2015..... as it stands now, this topic has become a lot more "shifty".

    There seems to be an increased level of "collective hesitation". People using the word "can" a lot more. Like PBNs "can" rank your site. In 2013 I don't remember seeing that word as much.

    I also see people qualifying and defining what a PBN actually is these days. Asserting their beliefs that they must look like real money sites to be effective. But I think that's bullshit. Whether a site is monetized or not should have no bearing on it's rankings. Look at Wikipedia. I also see guys saying the content needs to be better overall. As in, more pages. More images. Unique content. Better content. No more spun bs. But again, I can't attest whether this is true or not. Or if true, how significant it is.

    I see both old, long standing sites and new sites being ranked with thin, shitty, PBNs.

    What I can say is clear. Google has certainly been targeting PBNs much more than they were in 2013. I use to be able to get "push button" rankings a couple years ago. Grabbing #1 spots in 6 weeks for 7 fig / year local niches was like smoking crack. These days I'm struggling just to get to #1. But I do need to note that I took almost a year long leave of absence from the PBN world. It's only recently I'm getting back into testing. I just dropped $200 for some public network links from a reputable provider. 5-6 weeks before that I dropped $500 on 10 domains and $240 on hosting. The PBN is only 3 weeks old at this point and not even close to finished. I still have a lot of work to do. All I've done as far as testing is build 3 home page links and a couple inner page links.

    First home page link I did the site jumped a couple positions. The second link I did the site dropped 46 positions, then 4-5 days later came right back to where it was before. The 3rd home page link I did the site dropped 114 positions. It stayed like that for 2-3 days then jumped back up. My main keywords are basically the same they were before but my LSIs are dancing like crazy.

    Overall, I haven't seen anything significant happen yet. Just some crazy dancing and stablizing for my primaries at the same spot. I know my baby PBN needs more content. Probably need to age longer as well. But goddamn if this was 2013 I'd be halfway up page 1 right now.

    What I DO know. I refuse to be one of those mfkrs who comes on here saying "PBNs are dead" or ""PBNs are hit or miss" or "PBNs are nothing like they use to be". Even though I FEEL LIKE saying some negative shit right now I'm gonna wait till my first 10 sites are done. Wait till all my content and links are done. Wait till my public links are delivered (should be done any day now). Then I'll give it another 2-4 weeks. And if I don't see some significant improvements by then I'm liable to come on here saying some stupid shit. Cause these aren't young or thin money sites. These are 3+ year old sites I'm REranking that USE TO all rank #1 in their respective niches. It can NOT be that hard to get them back to where they were before. And only time will tell how stupid or smart I really am. :)

    -BB
     
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