Is KWFinder borked?

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This should hopefully be a straightforward, but has anyone found that KWFinder is kind of useless at the moment?

I've found around 30 keywords under keyword difficulty 20. When I click on them to load the SERP analysis, the keyword difficulty for every word jumps to 34, 35 or 36.

I understand that the keyword difficultly which appears when you import or search is based on the last search, but why are all the keywords now always showing as 34, 35 or 36 when I click on them to update the analysis?

Even keywords that I found previously with a low score now appear mid-30s and nothing appears to have changed in the SERP data.
 
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Yeah. I noticed that many weeks back. I thought it was because I was using it free.
 
Kwfinder worked like that from before if I recall correctly. Something along the line that they don't have the resources to calculate the numbers and make it available live hence why users have to click on the keyword to get the data live as it saves their resources and there is no point updating the keywords if no one is searching them.

Probably.

Best place to ask is them, of course.
 
It's a pile of crap recently, been playing up past few days.

I only use it to double check keywords to compare to Ahrefs and KeySearch, so no big loss to me.
 
How are these tools pulling exact match searches now that adwords doesnt supply it anymore?
 
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On April ‘18 Moz implemented a larger index to calculate the DA and some fluctuations where expected according to Moz.

Based on that my assumption is that there is a discrepancy between the way KWF (still) calculates the quality of the backlink profile, which is based on a calculation of Moz data they receive.

Add to that the recent change in the way G weighs the no.1 position, toss in the average of 62.something% unchanged keyword posititions for the last couple of days, and I wouldn’t be surprised if you run into precision rounding errors and things all start receiving the (almost) same value. Especially when it comes to the low hanging fruit. (Not too much individual difference in this index too be found.)

I hope it’s a simple rounding error that we’re facing and they will fix the precision. Let’s wait and see.

Where do you think this anomaly is comming from, if I may ask?
 
Sephrata said:
This should hopefully be a straightforward, but has anyone found that KWFinder is kind of useless at the moment?

I've found around 30 keywords under keyword difficulty 20. When I click on them to load the SERP analysis, the keyword difficulty for every word jumps to 34, 35 or 36.

I understand that the keyword difficultly which appears when you import or search is based on the last search, but why are all the keywords now always showing as 34, 35 or 36 when I click on them to update the analysis?

Even keywords that I found previously with a low score now appear mid-30s and nothing appears to have changed in the SERP data.
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You got the old scores, once you click on the serps it calculates the new scores thanks to the most update.

As you will see the "easy" serps did not change one but but the score now says it's no longer that easy... Since the Moz update has been pretty useless for a quick filter as ones that I know are super easy still jumped so high, parts to that for example YT videos used to have PA 1, now most show up with high PA so if you have a bunch of videos on page one you get a hard keyword now.
 
MisterF said:
It's a pile of crap recently, been playing up past few days.
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They have had a lot of issues recently. Yesterday, the whole site was down most of the morning because they changed IPs and the DNS didn't propagate correctly.

NotAllenTuring said:
Where do you think this anomaly is comming from, if I may ask?
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To be honest, I have no idea where the anomaly comes from but at the same time, I'm not too clued up in the methodology behind KWFinder calculating scores.

I can understand if the Moz change has had a minor impact, but as far as I can see it's massive. A keyword that was 18 a few months ago is now 48. I can understand if there was a huge change in people trying to rank for that keyword, but I don't see it.

theRevolt said:
You got the old scores, once you click on the serps it calculates the new scores thanks to the most update.

As you will see the "easy" serps did not change one but but the score now says it's no longer that easy... Since the Moz update has been pretty useless for a quick filter as ones that I know are super easy still jumped so high, parts to that for example YT videos used to have PA 1, now most show up with high PA so if you have a bunch of videos on page one you get a hard keyword now.
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Yeah, but I have to say it's really annoying finding keywords with go for it/easy difficulty scores under quick filter, but now they are possible/hard which is a big jump.
 
As far as i understand its because a lot of pages like youtube videos, facebook pages etc have high PA now. They had 1 PA before. This messed up the score.
 
Sephrata said:
I can understand if the Moz change has had a minor impact, but as far as I can see it's massive. A keyword that was 18 a few months ago is now 48. I can understand if there was a huge change in people trying to rank for that keyword, but I


Yeah, but I have to say it's really annoying finding keywords with go for it/easy difficulty scores under quick filter, but now they are possible/hard which is a big jump.
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My point was that kwfinder and others that use Moz are now just useless.

The change came from Moz changing for example same YT video from PA 1 to pa 70 etc.. now if you have more than one video on the first page...
Nothing changed in actual difficulty just the score, but that won't change, this rendering kwfinder useless for quick filter and then manual analysis.
 
Sephrata said:
A keyword that was 18 a few months ago is now 48. I can understand if there was a huge change in people trying to rank for that keyword, but I don't see it.
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Like @iliketurtlez mentioned Moz is now crawling a (much) larger part of the internet to determine DA/PA. When a specific KW is mentioned/used in one of these more authoritative sites the (perceived) difficulty will automatically increase.

Just for fun and kicks, have you tried to see what a plural form of a KW gets you for a result? Is that/are these number(s) close or similar to your current query?
 
I was planning to buy kwfinder. I tried free version and had same crappy issue. KW difficulty jumps from low to hard. I need to click on each keyword to find the current difficulty score. I'm currently using keysearch. It's affordable and better than kwfinder.
 
My fav is Keywordtool.io, but I never take ANY keyword tool's data as truth - I just compare the keyword's volume to other niche keywords to understand:
  1. Site architecture
  2. Searcher intent
  3. Prioritization via approximate search volumes
So essentially if you keep that in mind, it doesnt matter what tool you use...
 
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Besides all above comments, Kwfinder is overpriced as fuck.
 
Sephrata said:
This should hopefully be a straightforward, but has anyone found that KWFinder is kind of useless at the moment?

I've found around 30 keywords under keyword difficulty 20. When I click on them to load the SERP analysis, the keyword difficulty for every word jumps to 34, 35 or 36.

I understand that the keyword difficultly which appears when you import or search is based on the last search, but why are all the keywords now always showing as 34, 35 or 36 when I click on them to update the analysis?

Even keywords that I found previously with a low score now appear mid-30s and nothing appears to have changed in the SERP data.
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Hi, I read this thread recently and I just created an account here on the BHW to let you know that Mangools (creators of Keyword Finder) mention this thread specifically in their article about keyword difficulty update. Apparently they fixed the issue with "jumping" KD :D
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