is Google able to detect Spun articles?

nikao · Mar 28, 2012

With all the talk about all the blog networks that have been taken down, I'm actually surprised people aren't considering the fact that Google should be able to detect spun articles (most of them) and maybe google is using this (along with other methods of course) to break down on the blog networks.

Some blog networks were very keen of leaving no footprint, other than the fact that content was really all over the place in terms of topics on one blog, and 2nd fact; 90% (or more) of the articles were (badly) spun texts.

Now, google is using synonyms already in there search algorithms, why wouldn't they use it to detect spun texts? If you can detects synonyms, you should be easily able to compare documents while taking them into account. The majority of content out there rely greatly on word spun articles..

If google {is|would be|will be|could be} using this, it might very well impact a lot more of the link building we do. (think of all the places you use spun content....)

joaquin112 · Mar 28, 2012

There are different levels of spun content. If you take the time to create good spun content, you'll never have any problems because it's virtually impossible to distinguish it from real hand written articles.

seoguru13 · Mar 28, 2012

90% of blog networks and users end up using badly spun content. So, for most of us, spun content=rubbish. Hand spun at the sentence/para levels would leave a lesser footprint for sure.

I do not think that spun content is the only trigger for google in deindexing networks; but like the first panda update that fried article directories, it was a major factor.

nikao · Mar 28, 2012

joaquin112 said:
There are different levels of spun content. If you take the time to create good spun content, you'll never have any problems because it's virtually impossible to distinguish it from real hand written articles.

I know that, but the fact is that 90% of spun stuff is still word spun garbage.
Just thinking out loud here that this could have impact on a lot of peoples linkwheels as well, (or however they use their web2.0's)

dotcomdesigns · Mar 28, 2012

Hmmm let's think about it. Google - multi billion dollar budget, employs the brightest minds in the world gets beaten by $47 spinner using auto spun content. As someone said, proper spinning is very difficult to detect. But those pushing out crap will never beat G

nikao · Mar 28, 2012

dotcomdesigns said:
Hmmm let's think about it. Google - multi billion dollar budget, employs the brightest minds in the world gets beaten by $47 spinner using auto spun content. As someone said, proper spinning is very difficult to detect. But those pushing out crap will never beat G

you would think so, but why haven't I seen any case studies about google deindexing linkwheels, or other spun content on a mass scale?
There are even money sites ranking first page that are using spun garbage.

TheMatrix · Mar 28, 2012

Google can detect badly spun content, aka, just the use of synonyms.

Eg:

I am a {good|nice} {boy|lad|teen}.

Google can pretty damn easily detect closeness of variations here, and by matching it with other signals, can even detect the source of the links, and if required penalize it.

But if you do nested spinning, then the tables turn.

Eg:

{I am a {good|nice} {boy|lad|teen}.|{Many |}{Folks|People} {consider me|think I'm} a {very |}nice man.}

Now, there's very little chance of Google detecting any similarity here between variations.

hat_world · Mar 28, 2012

So which software one should use for this purpose

HarrisonHill · Mar 28, 2012

hat_world said:
So which software one should use for this purpose

Brain

dotcomdesigns · Mar 28, 2012

hat_world said:
So which software one should use for this purpose

Ubertoolz - it's on here in the BST section.

Sandeep-Dahiya · Mar 28, 2012

HarrisonHill said:
Brain

And your Keyboard.

stevejones003 · Mar 28, 2012

BMR network(unique content) is worse hit than ALN(Spun content).So,the recent changes do not say much abt this issue to be particular.
It is not about detecting spun articles.It is about whether to take action.Imagine an event happening and more or less all content about the posts might be similar.So while going after spun networks they might hit legit websites intentionally.Hence,G guys do not pull trigger IMO.

dotcomdesigns · Mar 28, 2012

nikao said:
you would think so, but why haven't I seen any case studies about google deindexing linkwheels, or other spun content on a mass scale?
There are even money sites ranking first page that are using spun garbage.

Is the spun content on the money sites that are ranking? I've not come across this myself. Sure tier 1's and 2's are but I never see them ranking that well unless the comp is really low.

G has hit article sites recently, just look what happened to Ezines for example. The private blog networks are being hit as we write. Once they've got that sorted out they'll move onto the next system that is being abused. And it may well be linkwheels, web 2.0s, etc.

It's a never ending game, as they close one door, we open another. As long as Google need to rank sites by inbound links, we'll keep on taking advantage of it

TheMatrix · Mar 28, 2012

stevejones003 said:
BMR network(unique content) is worse hit than ALN(Spun content).So,the recent changes do not say much abt this issue to be particular.

That's misleading as hell.

I quote this from a Jr VIP thread I created.

Some People of BMR as well as ALN are stupid enough to include a "unique identifier" to track their links... Which serves Google right. One search and bam! You have all the sites that shitty article was posted on.

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GeeWhiz#1 · Mar 28, 2012

Honestly I'm not sure. I would imagine they can detect badly spun articles but I'm not sure when it comes to articles that have been spun well. The reason I beleive this is because I've had satellite sites and web 2.0s rank well. I've even had web 2.0s with spun articles temporarily outrank money sites on the 1st page of Google.

rickstar · Mar 28, 2012

It's definitely getting better at recognized what is legitimate and what isn't.

Carolhardin · Mar 28, 2012

When Google has so many tools and websites to help one spin content, how would it not be able to detect spun material? Sounds illogical.

GeeWhiz#1 · Mar 28, 2012

Carolhardin said:
When Google has so many tools and websites to help one spin content, how would it not be able to detect spun material? Sounds illogical.

Detecting spun articles or reverse engineering is a lot harder than you think. With good spun articles I honestly can't see how Google could detect it, especially if it's readable.

cloakme · Mar 28, 2012

joaquin112 said:
There are different levels of spun content. If you take the time to create good spun content, you'll never have any problems because it's virtually impossible to distinguish it from real hand written articles.

I agree if you Ultra spin your articles from word to sentence to paragraph it will be impossible to detect that it is a spun article.

stevejones003 · Mar 28, 2012

TheMatrix said:
That's misleading as hell.

I quote this from a Jr VIP thread I created.

In case of BMR,there was no need to put unique identifiers as you can put any sentence and find the article.Though,some people do it for convenient blasting of tier 1 links.
But,that is hardly the best way Google looks for deindexing as it will leave many sites untouched.There are a lot many footprints which Google can bet on.Eg:Hitting backlink profile of a site whose backlink profile was manually reviewed.Apart from that,legitimate viral things can have one particular name/tracker in all posts.

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