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Is a Bachelor degree worth it? (food for thought)

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  1. SH-M

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    http://usuncut.com/class-war/student-earns-4-0-gpa-drops-scammed/

    Interesting article about a student dropping out with a 4.0 gpa after the first semester. I see lots of people that shared this article are surprised that a student dropped out, emphasizing the 4.0 gpa, but it was only after his first semester, which to be very honest, doesn't take a genius to maintain that gpa in the beginning, it's pretty easy in the contrary. However, the message is quite strong.

    What do you think?
     
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    He is right in some ways.

    Why only college? The schools never taught us tax returns, changing tyres, managing income and other basic stuff but yeah mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell.
     
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    Its all relative and depends on your perspective.

    Overall getting a degree can get you a good job but you are still a slave to the system you just get paid more. The people at the top benefit off you. You will be stuck paying a loan for 10+ years if your family does not have money.

    But if you have no other options then college is your best bet.

    The system is made for you to "lose", to become a worker. Your job is to get the losers to work for you.
     
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    I live somewhere with free education and am currently studying for a bachelors degree, (Business + Marketing)

    IMO, your (USA?) education system is a piece of garbage, no way would I spend $50k or whatever it is for a degree if I was American. Fuck that.

    However with that said, I go to University for the following reasons:
    • Girls
    • Parties
    • Girls
    • Networking
    • A piece of paper at the end of the course that'll get me into a graduate programme
    • Girls
    EDIT: On a serious note though, I've learned more about business + marketing from watching Youtube videos (no joke), reading books and trial and error from developing my own enterprises, than I have from my actual course.
     
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    Masters degree...never used it)
     
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    I never thought going going to college was worth it. The only exception is if you're going to be in a field like medicine or law. That's why I never went to college. Surprise - I know and make more than my "college educated" friends.

    Edit: My dad has two degrees and my sister has one. Both of them work for Walmart. Why? They can't find jobs in their field. They've been searching for years.
     
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    My opinion: education is a treat for the mind. It's learning for the sake of learning. I never saw college as a path to do "x". I always saw it is a chance to just learn.
     
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    many professions would not allow you to work unless you have certain level of education, so you do college as path to 'x'.
    college/university will get you a higher salary, better place in line for the job, better placement and many more

    if the question is college degree defines you in some point - only to the point that you were able to reach the end as you may followed different routes to get it

    i personally feel like getting degree in university is few extra years to your 'young life', of course if you don't work your ass off to pay for studies
     
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    As someone who got their degree and still paying off the debt for it. I enjoyed the experience but I was way too young to fully appreciate the opportunity. I just went through the motions got decent enough grades but right now I am struggling in life.

    Uni teaches you concepts not life long skills. Experience is far more useful than a degree. So just try something, fail, learn and repeat. You will have far more success than someone fresh out of uni
     
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    Mind treating might get quite expensive depending on where you live.
     
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    for me its totally worth it
     
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    Make money online instead!
     
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    I got a full-ride, and I feel real bad for anyone paying what this shit costs. I'm only going to school because it's free.

    Unless you're going for sciences or engineering - save your money. I'm going to a somewhat prestigious business school (on the same level as Harvard), and most of this shit Ive already learned online. Not all of it, but most of it is common sense.

    Most businesses would rather see an intelligent, experienced man opposed to a brain dead man with a degree. Get good at interviewing, expirment with a lot of different positions to see what you like, get a decent resume, and get human skills.

    IGKing
     
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    The world has changed a lot. Back when I got into uni it was obligatory for anyone who wanted to be someone in life.

    Now you have so much info online, people are building robots and solving massive problems with self taught courses.

    It's a different world out there and college is no longer the only place you'll get formal info. There are self taught folks who are geniuses in math...

    I think as long as you're seeking to improve yourself and learn online, you'll be up to date. If you stop and let tech run you over, then your lost with or without a degree.
     
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    I have a degree in computer science but never used it... Its still good to have a backup plan though.
     
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    I am very similar to guy mentioned above. I had very high grades in top3 univ in my country (9.2/10) when i dropped out after 7 semesters. I lost motivation to learn what someone orders me to learn. I was motivated by fear entire time. And as soon as my fear vanished , which happened as i put my hands on first sustainable money, i couldn't do it anymore. I was traumatized by my family friends and seen as failure by other people. I suffered emotional pain - but i couldn't do in anymore. Even today i still feel regret to some extent, which comes solely in form of rejection and shit people around me gave me. From financial stand point - it was great decision. I became owner of business not drone in someones else. But still, that engineer title would made my life easier. Its easier and socially more appealing to introduce yourself as engineer compared to what i am right now - owner of stuff. My subconsciousness blocked me from finishing it, i know it might sound as garbage, but its 100% true.
     
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    My 2 cents (don't bash me too hard):

    Bachelor's is useless if you go into a supra populated field that has XXX's graduates / year and there is no demand in the field. As in all other big "projects" you must do your research, find something that you like and is somewhat in demand, then be brilliant at it. There are literally millions of options. If you want to make it in a popular field you'll need to be more than brilliant, you HAVE to be a super fking special snowflake.

    The main problem with bachelor's graduates is that they believe that after they graduate they'll magically get a job in the field and start working up the ranks. Wake up! who the fk will give you a job because you have a piece of paper? You have to prove that you are useful, take the first shit job you can in the field just to get some experience, make some connections.

    The degree you get is to give you the opportunity to get to an interview, from there is your knowledge that takes you further. A degree gives you opportunity, not a 6 figures/year salary.
     
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    Disclaimer: I don't have a college degree, I quit to build my own business. I hate formal education because you can literally find anything they teach online nowadays and it's a big waste of time and money.

    Of course, a degree matters (if owning a business isn't your thing).

    It matters for

    1. Doctors
    2. Lawyers
    3. Engineers

    Etc.

    Most people want to have their own business, become their own boss but 90%+ businesses fail in their first year but if you have a college degree, you can still find a job with it. But if you don't - you will be stuck with Mcdonald for the rest of your life.

    When to quit college then?

    Quit when you have a proven business with good revenue and growth opportunity, like Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg and many more.
     
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    Don't quit college guys. You'll feel miserable. You deserve to feel good about yourself. Money is not most important thing in life. Once idea of quitting gets into your head, you're done. Your mind will create 100 justifications how you will become bill gates, how you'll be owner of shit, how life will be easier.Just a thought about having a month off will entrench that idea in your mind. Our path of least resistance instinct will kick in.
    University comes easy only if you stop questioning why you do it, and just accept it as-is shovel of shit u gotta eat. Once you are in "meta" stage, why or should i do it, ur fucked up.
    Happened to me.

    Risky road it was. Not recommended for everyone. Some people feel safe to be told what to do. Some are born leaders. Figure that out first.
     
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    It was worth it for me, but I grew up on a farm. If you had a good high school education that taught you how to think creatively, maybe you don't need college, but I really did.
     
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