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iPinner owns me 980$ from a JV we made.

Discussion in 'The Shit List' started by Black95, Mar 15, 2014.

  1. Black95

    Black95 BANNED BANNED

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    We made a JV some time ago and we made a good amount of money. He then stopped replying to me. So here goes all the proof.
    This is the first P,M he sent me offering a J,V.
    dfd8b419d1045dd060bcfd288f13130c.jpg

    gyazo . com / dfd8b419d1045dd060bcfd288f13130c

    I have the whole conversation with him on skype. Here:
    pastebin / bhH5G6F2
    The conversation is very long so Im gonna just paste the most important things here.

    This is the part were we agreed to split 70/30:

    [1/6/2014 4:18:06 PM] InlifeThrill: So how do you suggest doing the split thing?
    [1/6/2014 4:18:21 PM] iPinner: 50/50
    [1/6/2014 4:18:30 PM] iPinner: i will make sure everything will run properly
    [1/6/2014 4:18:33 PM] iPinner: also
    [1/6/2014 4:18:37 PM] iPinner: I will get C&Ds from
    [1/6/2014 4:18:39 PM] iPinner: IG for sure
    [1/6/2014 4:18:50 PM] iPinner: thats not good for me
    [1/6/2014 4:19:04 PM] iPinner: also its incent traffic
    [1/6/2014 4:19:06 PM] InlifeThrill: Nope, thats way to high, you're almost autopilot from now on lol
    [1/6/2014 4:19:07 PM] iPinner: i will have to face with advertisers
    [1/6/2014 4:19:16 PM] iPinner: so whats your offer?
    [1/6/2014 4:19:27 PM] InlifeThrill: 70 30 done
    [1/6/2014 4:19:36 PM] iPinner: 60/40 and we agree on this
    [1/6/2014 4:19:42 PM] iPinner: mate
    [1/6/2014 4:19:48 PM] iPinner: I have to face with this shit traffic
    [1/6/2014 4:19:51 PM] iPinner: no one will like it
    [1/6/2014 4:19:52 PM] InlifeThrill: Nope sorry because I also have to invest in this
    [1/6/2014 4:19:58 PM] iPinner: hm
    [1/6/2014 4:20:00 PM] iPinner: well ok

    This is where he tells how much we made:

    [1/7/2014 7:46:48 PM] iPinner: 1.2k yesterday / 200 today
    [1/7/2014 7:46:52 PM] iPinner: 1.4

    This is where he avoids me:

    [2/7/2014 12:48:10 AM] InlifeThrill: Hey, did you get the payment from the cpa network?
    [2/10/2014 2:25:03 PM] InlifeThrill: ?
    [2/12/2014 8:58:35 PM] InlifeThrill: ?

    If any more info is requested please tell me.


    Thanks.
     
  2. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    Accused member has been notified.
     
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  3. YouFeelMeDawg?

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    I just want to chim in, am not one of opening shitlist threads either. But ipinner never replied back to the bot i coded for him on this thread. I already pm'ed him once about the omegle bot i coded for him.We agreed on 250 for an omegle bot.

    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/hire-freelancer/630089-wth-looking-omegle-chatroulette-bot.html

    I contacted him on skype around the middle of december. After he just finished posting his first shitlist thread I agree to not take any payment upfront cause I "knew"(or so i thought) that he would be legit and pay me after finishing the bot for him.

    Well long story short, he went missing a week after I finish the bot saying that his girlfriend was on the hospital and he would get back to me after he coming back from the holidays. Since, it was the holidays it was no big deal to me, i mean it was the holidays after all.So , I thought of just waiting for him thinking all this time that he would keep his word and reply to me after he sorted everything out with his girlfriend in the hospital

    To my surprise, he never replied back to me at all, and I saw him posting very openly on bhw so its clear he didn't care about my pm's and probably it was all bullshit bout his girlfriend.

    I could care less about the 250 now since I have a job now as an entry level developer, so I don't have time to pursue him for my 250. I just hate the fact, that he never once replied back to my skype messages, my bhw messages, and he promised me that he would pay me and not to worry about that.

    Anyways, sorry about your loss OP. I lost a week too of my time coding this bot for him, but I would have wasted more time trying to get him to pay me than what I would have gained.

    To jazzc: Let me know if you need my skype logs, they are in my old Linux installation so I have to dig through them but I will make sure to find them.
     
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  4. iPinner

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    Part 1

    We have never made any money. It was just the numbers in the CPA console back then. I've never got paid for the traffic the OP sent me as from the beginning both of us understood that we're taking risk not to get paid - you forgot to attach the part of the conversation where I've mentioned this more than many times. Nice work on cutting out the parts of conversation...

    Code:
    [COLOR=#FFFFCC][1/6/2014 4:19:48 PM] iPinner: I have to face with this shit traffic[/COLOR]
    [COLOR=#FFFFCC][1/6/2014 4:19:51 PM] iPinner: no one will like it[/COLOR]
    Now goes a lovely part. OP is telling we supposed to make:
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    [COLOR=#FFFFCC][1/7/2014 7:46:48 PM] iPinner: 1.2k yesterday / 200 today[/COLOR]
    [COLOR=#FFFFCC][1/7/2014 7:46:52 PM] iPinner: 1.4[/COLOR]
    Proof from affiliate manager e-mail: http://i.imgur.com/XgW4OYq.png

    I've lost 3500$ in total which means this JV and shit traffic OP sent made me a personal loss of an extra 2100$ - not to count the part of money I supposed to pay him.
    Technically I've done everything properly, traffic was cloacked well.

    Advertiser have not paid CPA company I've sent OP traffic so they were not able to pay me and I wasn't able to pay OP. Everyone who does CPA knows pretty well that everything works this way.




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  5. iPinner

    iPinner Senior Member Premium Member

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    Part 2
    I will try to keep this quick.

    Never include family and personal details to the conversation and watch your mouth - it has nothing to do with our business at all.

    I don't have these chat logs either to quote like you at the moment.

    You were late to deliver me the software on the deadline we have agreed on what was the main reason. You have never shown me your finished work so I don't even know if it works at all. But. Back then I've told you that another developer have created me the software in 2 days but I still would like to compensate you.

    So if you can still show me the working software (which I don't need anymore) in action with all the options we have agreed on I'm going to pay you 250$ and add all the proofs to continue this thread.

    Feel free to send me your Skype details via private message and update this thread if needed.

    Thanks,
    iPinner.
     
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  6. Black95

    Black95 BANNED BANNED

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    Is that the reason you didn't reply for 2 months? BTW the whole conversation is there so everyone can see. And that screenshot can be easily faked. Why do you post this only after I post in the shit list?
     
  7. iPinner

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    I've already proven my point. For faking part - I can make mp4 movie of my desktop with affiliate console and all the emails I have received from my affiliate manager. Going to send it for jazzc for privacy purposes if needed.

    Friday night I've replied you to wait until this Monday to continue our conversation because I do not work on weekends. You have started to rush me to do this right away. I've explained you that I haven't got paid already. You can just copy our Friday conversation, don't you?

    What about this? You made a big loss for me.

    In conclusion I've already proven my point. I will send private information for jazzc if needed.

    Going to wait for admin reply.

    Thanks,
    iPinner.
     
  8. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    iPinner, PM me when you are online (and see me online) so that I can verify that email.
     
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  9. Black95

    Black95 BANNED BANNED

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    Let's say for a second that everything you're saying is true. Why didn't you reply to me for 3 months on skype or BHW? Also, this is taken from the conversation:


    1. [1/6/2014 12:14:21 PM] iPinner: if it's not incent traffic
    2. [1/6/2014 12:14:26 PM] iPinner: thats why you will need me
    3. [1/6/2014 12:14:27 PM] iPinner: :)
    4. [1/6/2014 12:14:33 PM] iPinner: i will use decrypt traffic
    5. [1/6/2014 12:14:37 PM] iPinner: by promoting legit offers
    6. [1/6/2014 12:14:47 PM] iPinner: so cpa network won't ever come back to us by doing something bad
     
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  10. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    Status update: iPinner has verified the email, Black95 needs to answer my PM before we proceed.
     
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  11. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    The full email from iPinner and the details I asked of the OP match. The dates are also sane. So, although I can not be totally sure since iPinner was running his own campaigns as well, the claim that he didn't get paid is reasonable.

    In light of this, there 's nothing to do in the case of Black95. By reading the chat logs, I just want to say to Black95 that I hope he learned that he shouldn't let greed make him reveal his methods.

    Now waiting for YouFeelMeDawg? 's response.
     
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  12. Black95

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    So nothing about the fact that he didnt reply for 3 months?
    Also about the other guy he is only offering 250$ now that his account is in danger. He also didnt contact with him.
     
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  13. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    My concern is if he owed you money or not. I 'm not going to do something about bad manners in a JV.
     
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  14. Black95

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    Thats not my point lol. That guy is surely hiding something. He disappeared 3 months from me and some weeks from the other guy. Anyway I don't see any chance of getting my money so I'm out of here.
     
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  15. iPinner

    iPinner Senior Member Premium Member

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    Well, if I reply to your messages on this thread - then I'm not hiding anything. All the proofs were sent.
    If you want me to answer why I have not replied you - it's obviously that you made me a personal loss of 2100$ (you want me to keep acting same childish way like you?) - I haven't got paid so there were no way to pay you. How suppose I owe something that I don't have myself? As i've already mentioned you've deleted a parts of our full conversation. Don't forget to attach the end of our conversation where you've started acting like kid and swearing. True? True. So here is your answer.

    If you still feel that I do owe you, I can pay for your investment for this JV which is nearly close to 10 euros? Yeah I know the investment price for the method. Shall I prove this too?
    Even though I've paid for domain, hosting and other services myself.

    For the Part 2, it's going to be solved live on this thread. It's none of your business anyway.

    Thanks,
    iPinner.
     
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  16. Black95

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    The conversation is complete. If you have anything to add why don't you paste it?
     
  17. iPinner

    iPinner Senior Member Premium Member

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    Already answered your main question and proven my position. I will only add anything else to this conversation if jazzc will ask me.
    Let's solve Part 2.

    Thanks,
    iPinner.
     
  18. YouFeelMeDawg?

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    Our deal for the omegle bot was between 1-2 weeks,which means 1 to 2 weeks(In between 1 and 2 weeks!).I don't like making public scandals and bringing this sort of drama into the forum, but by how shitty you handle our deal and how you just dissapeared on me after pulling the "hospital" card on me, I had to come

    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/hire-freelancer/630089-wth-looking-omegle-chatroulette-bot.html
    You posted on the 7th of December, and I contacted you 2 days later that I could do it.So,I started the project on the 9th of December. We agreed on a price of 250 with a due date in 1-2 weeks. I guess you misinterpreted that into 1 week deadline, because after 1 week we started having problems.

    However, at the beginning of the job started date , you were always responsive and answering every single question I had on skype right away. It wasn't until the 7th day, that you went missing for 3 days without responding to my skype messages. Then, out of nowhere,on the 10th day, you come out saying that I took too long and you hired someone else to do the job, but you said that I would still get rewarded the 250 as we agreed on the deal once I finish the job which I promptly replied that I needed a couple more days to wrap it up.You said ok, and I continued working on the omegle bot.

    After finishing the job on the 13th day, I tried contacting you on skype without success.To my surprise,all the skype messages that I was sending ended up as being undelivered, at that time I didn't think for once that you blocked me .I was wrong which I will later find out.Eventually ,I got on bhw and I sent you a message through bhw and telling you the job was done and ready for a demo.

    [​IMG]
    Then,3 days later on christmas eve, you replied to my message on bhw informing me that you had your girlfriend at the hospital and she was getting ready to get a leg operation this friday.You assured me that as soon as your done with that "emergency" you would get back to me after the holidays. In that moment, I felt kinda bad for you,as you can see on the message I sent, since it was the time to be celebrating an kicking back with the family. At least , that is what I did last Christmas .

    [​IMG]

    Anyways, so I sent you a reply back wishing you some merry christmas and some other extra things about the project that I found worth mentioning to you. For 2 days , I waited and I waited for your reply back after new years and you never responded back. I sent you more messages on skype, even though you knew perfectly well that you blocked me there,but not any single message got through.

    This is the last message I sent you.
    [​IMG]

    Eventually,after looking at all the evidence and even the first pm you sent the OP. It all now makes sense what kind of "shady" person you are. You seem to be praying on people by using your supposedly "reputation" which is what you used to control the deal with the op. You also tried to pitch me the same tone of conversation at the beginning of our deal.


    How naive I was when I didn't see the red flags popping out. First of all, you magically go missing when you want to get out of the deal you are currently on.You pull the "HOSPITAL" card on me and then you try telling me not to include that into the evidence of the common excuses someone pulls out when they are being shady.

    The last message I got from you was your girlfriend at the hospital. After christmas, I never heard from you ever again. Not once.

    Fast forward to march 13th , I see you posting around the forums openly. I was like WTF? so I pm'ed you saying we had some unfinished business.
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    You just responded until now, since you are in the shit list thread.

    For the record,I never asked for my money in my previous post. I was just testifying how everything the OP said is the same thing you did to me, you blocked me on skype and ignored me, that's the truth. Bad deals happen, especially pm's , skype, and outside BST deals.

    So , it was me ultimately that took the risk and came out losing, and I don't believe someone else that isn't involved in the business deal in one way shape or form should have to go through the hassle of resolving the issues when it is going south or has gone sour.I just rather end up taking iPinner's omegle bot deal as a lost and moved on, that is the reason why I never reallypursued him after 1 month . Not worth it, definitely not.

    I don't fancy doing shitlist threads,and getting mods involved EVER in my private matters,unless is something really serious.

    I had my shared of bad deals here and good deals as well but I always kept it to my own.

    But as I am aware, some guys like the OP can't afford to take the loss and I understand that they need to go all means to get their money they are rightfully owed.

    To jazzc: I don't want any money or anything from iPinner, I was just sharing my experience I went through this guy and how he does his "shady" tactics on people.

    So, iPinner you can take your lousy 250 roll them up and stuff them tightly up where the sun don't shine.This is what I am going to do. I am going to take the source and offer it as a free open source bhw download bot.

    I don't care about your money, and I never ONCE here asked for my money after you dissapeared. That is not how you conduct business.
     
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  19. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    Based on the above, unless other information comes up, I will insist that YouFeelMeDawg? gets fully compensated at the original price.
     
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  20. iPinner

    iPinner Senior Member Premium Member

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    Going skip the offensive part of your sad essay to keep this quick.

    Never respond or meant to not going to pay you from the beginning to keep this less dramatic. Never received any working software or a part of code or charged you to call me scammer. For today it's just unfinished business as you've mentioned so that's what I'm going to do.

    I'm offering full compensation with request to receive the source code. You can PM me your paypal details privately or send it to jazzc, so he could confirm the final action.

    Thanks,
    iPinner.