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Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by iAdolph, Jan 16, 2015.

  1. iAdolph

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    You're best cure for insomnia? It's very early, going to work in a few hours.
     
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    I'm in the same boot. Leaving for work in 3 hours and look at my dumb ass playing on the computer.

    Solution? Wife is at work so mine is unavailable right now.
     
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    I've had insomnia my entire life since I was 16.

    First I will usually go to Benadryl. That seems to work at least 60% of the time.
    If it's moderate insomnia, I have a prescription for trazadone so I'll pop one of those bitches.
    If it's severe insomnia, I have an old stash of benzos, I'll pop a valium and that will usually knock me on my ass.
    If it's consistently severe, I will usually pop a valium with trazadone and that always does the job.

    I'm pretty sure I damaged my circadian rhythm when I was younger by abusing large amounts of speed when my brain was still developing. Because prior to getting addicted, I never had sleep problems. But ever since I stopped using that shit (over 10 years ago) I've always had some form of insomnia. And sometimes it gets really fucking bad.

    I've also tried melatonin, it doesn't do shit. I've tried seroquel, that shit is way too strong and makes me sleep like 16 hours straight. I've tried ambien and did not like the blackouts + waking up in the middle of the night doing weird shit. I've tried zyprexa a long time ago which was similar to seroquel. It was wayy too strong.

    If your insomnia is real bad, try getting a script for trazadone. It works really well, barely any hangover in the morning and easy to get off. If that doesn't do the job and you need benzos, just be careful. I've gone 8 months straight taking valium, stopped, didn't sleep for like 4 weeks straight and felt like a paranoid schizo. So only consider benzos as a last resort.

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  4. Ghoast

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    just smoke some cannabis... will send you to sleep the natural way.. wouldn't touch sleeping pills damn...
     
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    Why does everyone think "natural" = good?

    The T2 mycotoxin, a natural compound that comes from mold and is 50xs more lethal than saran gas.
    Cocaine from cocoa trees. Crack from cocaine.
    Morphine from poppies. Heroin from morphine.
    Nicotine from tobacco, takes just 40-100mgs to OD.
    Then there is shit like Fox Glove and the thousands of other plants you can bite into that will kill you in minutes.

    I just want to clarify that "natural", in terms of science - means shit.

    -BB
     
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    Strange the only time I have suffered with insomnia is when I used to be a pot head. But I mean real insomnia, not "oo I have not slept all night, I must have insomnia" No, you have just been playing on your PlayStation all night. I mean the kind of insomnia where you do not sleep for endless days and end up hallucinating and feel like butting a wall to knock yourself out.
     
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  7. Ghoast

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    Yeah you're quite right about natural not meaning safe.. mercury is natural, so is a poison dart frog

    If you read what I said, I never said natural = safe, lol

    And those examples you put aren't really natural things anyway. Cocaine isn't natural, neither is heroin.. They are about as natural as high fructose corn syrup since a ton of refining and modification goes into the production procedure of those products.
     
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    For me valium seems to be the worse medicine ever , back in 2013 I slept 35 hours straight because of that shit lol
     
  9. Trepanated

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    In a lot of cases though, the further away you move from 'natural', the more damaging the drug.

    Cocaine actually comes from coca, not cocoa. They are completely different plants.

    Chewing coca leaves is a mild stimulant - not very harmful.
    Refine the leaves into cocaine - more addictive and more harmful.
    Wash that cocaine and produce crack - even more addictive and even more harmful.

    Similarly with poppies - opium is the natural and less refined form of the drug and not as harmful or addictive as heroin, which is more refined and less 'natural'.

    The same applies to food when you think about it - fresh, raw vegetables are healthy and the further away from 'natural' we make it, through refining/processing, the less healthy and more damaging it gets.

    I've had insomnia and in my experience, natural solutions are better.

    In the past, my lifestyle has been healthy at times and very unhealthy at others. I have been a dirty rotten caner, was a vegetarian for almost a decade when I was younger and have been very fit at times (cycling, serious swimming, lifeguard, etc.) and very unfit at others (sedentary, shite food, lots of partying).

    I have always slept better when I have had a healthier lifestyle. I've moved into a permanently healthier lifestyle in the last few years with lots of exercise and a seriously healthy diet and I've never slept better.

    Having said that, just because it works for me, does not mean I think it will work for everyone - insomnia has many causes and therefore will involve many solutions - I'm just fortunate that diet and exercise works for me.

    I would definitely recommend trying the diet and exercise solution before the medication solution though.
     
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    We have a member called HelloInsomnia, he might be able to help you. :)
     
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    If this is a one-time thing and you can't sleep tonight there isn't much you can do at the moment. I can tell you some tricks to falling asleep tonight but they will only help you so much.

    You have to have your body and environment set up correctly to make it easier to fall asleep. After that is calming your mind which is the hard part for me at least.

    Environment:

    Block out all light if possible.
    Reduce the temperature if it is warm, I shoot for 68-70 degrees (20-21 C)
    If there is noise turn on a fan or look up a white noise app, or search on Youtube for something like sleep rain or delta waves or sleeping music
    Clean sheets and a made bed always make it easier to sleep - make sure you remove any anxiety you may have about your bedroom

    Body:

    Look up yoga exercises for sleep
    When you lay in bed make yourself comfortable and then consciously think about your body parts feeling relaxed as if they are going to sleep, start with your toes and work your way up to your head
    Don't move about, try to be still
    Plug your right nostril and breath through your left, deep breaths - 3-4 seconds in and 7-8 out
    Take deep breaths in general while trying to calm your body

    Mind:

    Meditate to clear your mind if you're into that
    Lay awake with your eyes open and repeat "I will not fall asleep" (weird trick that makes you really sleepy - try to keep your eyes open!)
    Do mental math if you have distractions, this one kind of works for me but I've heard it working for others
    Don't think about things directly related to your life or you will interject yourself into the thoughts and pull yourself back to real life - this can keep you up for hours. Instead, try to think about something unrelated to yourself/your life

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    To sleep better long term:

    Go to bed at the same time every day and wake up at the same time - even on the weekends
    Exercise - this is a really big one especially for people in our industry
    Obviously caffeine and other stimulants can affect your sleep, avoid these starting 8 hours before bed
    Get into a routine, this can involve certain things that you only do before you fall asleep, putting on a hand lotion that smells only before you fall asleep can tell your body that by smelling this thing it's time to sleep
    Try not to nap during the day
    Don't do anything in your bed but sleep and sex

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    If you have to sleep and you know it will be an issue and you need something to rely on then get some Melatonin. DO NOT rely on this for day to day use. It should be something that you use here and there. You can also use it to fix your sleep schedule, just make sure you only take it for a couple of days in a row and you may even want to ween off of it by cutting it in half and then a quarter the last two days.

    Melatonin occurs naturally in the body so this is a pretty safe thing to do but like anything else use it in moderation.
     
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  12. dllll

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    I dont have Insomnia, but i like listening to ASMR videos to help me sleep maybe it will help you.


     
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    Depending on how long you've had this conundrum, you may want to discover and deal with the root of the problem before you exacerbate it by delaying proper treatment. As for myself, I've always had issues sleeping at night. This might sound eccentric, but I have the "opposite circadian rhythm" that other people have (I can sleep perfectly fine during the day and feel better waking up at night). Because, at one point in time, I lived with inane relatives outside of my immediate family who refused to let me sleep during the day (they called me "lazy" even though I slept much less than them), I've experimented with many methods to get to sleep at night over the years. A few of the methods I've tried are the following:

    • Sleeping pills: Most of these pills worked, although they almost always left me groggy, so I stopped taking them.
    • Melatonin: These hormones are great for short-term use, although I used them for over a year and I found myself feeling unmotivated throughout the day.
    • Heated blankets/Hot water/Hot room temperature: Contrary to what other people say on here, I actually sleep better when my body is feeling hot. Of course, you would most likely not benefit from this in the same way I had.
    • Exercising: I tried exercising to tire out my body, but it was never enough to tire out my mind.
    • Stretching: I found it a bit easier to stretch before sleeping.
     
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  15. HelloInsomnia

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    I suffer from the same thing a lot of the time and it's really easy for me to flip to that schedule and really hard to flip back. It's one of those things that you need to work on, get on the right schedule and then stay on that schedule. Even as I write this I'm working on that, first getting to bed at 5 am when it is still dark out and trying to fall asleep before light then going through the long process of pulling back my schedule. It takes work but it is possible and once you can fall asleep when it is dark it gets easier.

    Some tips for that:

    Keep your room super dark, black it out. During the night time keep everything really dark, try not to have many lights on.
    When you wake up, even if it's dark outside keep everything well lit. If you wake up during the day get up and get outside feel the air and hopefully it will be sunny out, if not make sure you turn on all the lights.

    It's really important for it to be super dark before you go to sleep and for your body to get a lot of light when you wake up this will help with the circadian rhythm disorder.

    One of the things I should have mentioned in my post above is to keep the room cold BUT you want to keep your extremities warm. When you fall asleep blood flows to your extremities and your hands and feet will actually warm up. So a trick to use to help fall asleep is to wear socks to bed (and keep your hands warm too). When you're saying actually makes sense. It's weird to say but you want the room to be cold but your body to be warm.
     
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    I'm not sure if I've insomnia but I find it really difficult to sleep, even if its 2 am in the night. Here's a few tricks that have really helped me..

    1) Working out.. physical activity makes your body need more rest.

    2) While sleeping remove all distractions, no sounds, no lights, make sure ur not thirsty or hungry or anything of that sorts.

    3) Lastly, while sleeping.. I try reverse psychology on Myself... I think & pretend to myself, that I'm being forced to be awake, I need to be awake for another 10 hours for a boring task. Inducing Such thoughts makes me really sleepy :)
     
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    Get a book you not like (maths,physics etc) read it.

    You should be on bed during this process.
     
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    Nobody mentioned having a shag yet ? Thats my recommendation, screw like a winner and sleep like a hero.
     
  19. nobodyelsein

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    I was a moderate insomniac my whole life until parenthood struck me between the eyes. Now my body sleeps as a sort of self-defence.

    Although I did start cycling a lot of miles about the same time...
     
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    Well you'd have tofigure out what is the root of the problem. Chemical (coffee), psichological (stress, problems, frustrations, etc) or you're simply not tired.

    What I can tell you is the Sun does miracles. Stay in the sun a few days and in a chill area (e.g. country side/nature) and you're gonna sleep like a baby.